Ping Mike Williams Questions on SP2 adms

Ping Mike Williams Questions on SP2 adms

Post by Robert R K » Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:53:23


Mike,

Thanks for the efforts on the XPSP2 adm files. I've taken a quick look and
one thing I didn't see was a way to override the disabling of the Messenger
service. I understand why MS decided to disable Messenger but many of us in
the corporate world 1) have firewalls that prevent rouge messages and 2) use
messenger to notify folks about network events. I'm assuming the bestway to
turn Messenger back on is via Computer/Windows Settings/System
Settings/System Services?

One other thing. We need XP policies that provide better control over the
desktop UI. There are setting missing or way too drastic. For example, I'd
like to add the desktop icons back to the desktop but use the XP Start menu.
The only way I can see to turn on the desktop icons is to force the Classic
Start Menu. It would be great if the Remove Icon settings actually removed
the icons if set to Enabled and added the icons if set to Disabled. Same
holds for toolbars like the Quick Launch bar and Address Bar. I'd like a
way to turn them on. This is especially a problem because I have editing
these items disabled so users don't change my defaults so now I have to go
through a process of enabling changes, making the change, and then disabling
changes.

Lastly I'd love to see setting that controlled the Performance options of
the UI. Those set in My Computer/Properties/Advanced/Performance/Visual
Effects.

Thanks

--

Rob
BTW: Was that the Democratic or Republican convention we just watched?
 
 
 

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Post by Robert R K » Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:13:53

Mike,

Thanks for the efforts on the XPSP2 adm files. I've taken a quick look and
one thing I didn't see was a way to override the disabling of the Messenger
service. I understand why MS decided to disable Messenger but many of us in
the corporate world 1) have firewalls that prevent rouge messages and 2) use
messenger to notify folks about network events. I'm assuming the bestway to
turn Messenger back on is via Computer/Windows Settings/System
Settings/System Services?

One other thing. We need XP policies that provide better control over the
desktop UI. There are setting missing or way too drastic. For example, I'd
like to add the desktop icons back to the desktop but use the XP Start menu.
The only way I can see to turn on the desktop icons is to force the Classic
Start Menu. It would be great if the Remove Icon settings actually removed
the icons if set to Enabled and added the icons if set to Disabled. Same
holds for toolbars like the Quick Launch bar and Address Bar. I'd like a
way to turn them on. This is especially a problem because I have editing
these items disabled so users don't change my defaults so now I have to go
through a process of enabling changes, making the change, and then disabling
changes.

Lastly I'd love to see setting that controlled the Performance options of
the UI. Those set in My Computer/Properties/Advanced/Performance/Visual
Effects.

Thanks

--

Rob
BTW: Was that the Democratic or Republican convention we just watched?

 
 
 

Ping Mike Williams Questions on SP2 adms

Post by joust in j » Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:46:32

Richard:

When addressing someone directly, it is often useful to use their correct
name. Think how much nicer you would have thought of me if I had addressed
you as "Robert", rather than as "Richard".

Since "Mark Williams [MSFT]" , has posted some useful info XP SP2
information within eyesight of your post, it shouldn't be too hard to
recognize the difference between Mark Williams [MSFT] and the mysterious,
unresponsive (and perhaps unknowledgeable) "Mike Williams".


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Post by Robert R K » Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:44:36


First, I apologize to Mark for getting his name wrong.

Second, I would think much higher of you if you would try to be helpful
instead of making a big deal out of an honest mistake.

In any event my points still remain. I'd like to see better On/Off control
of items like desktop icons and tool bars. As it is now XP installs with
the Icon off and the GPs only allow me to REMOVE the icons from the desktop.
I'd like to add them back without having to use the Classic Start menu. XP
also by default removes the Quick Launch tool bar and I haven't found a way
to put it back using GPOs.

Being able to control these items will make the user transition from Win2K
to XP much easier, if not seamless. I can't tell you how many support calls
I've already received from the folks regarding the loss of the Quick Launch
toolbar. As silly as it sounds the simple loss of a tool bar can be quite
disconcerting to the users and time consuming for the IT department and
support staff.

--

Rob
 
 
 

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Post by Mark Willi » Fri, 13 Aug 2004 01:52:26

o problem on the name. My manager has a name where the first and surname
can be switched and it still makes sense - he gets it far worse than I do
:-)

Thanks for your feedback, Rob. I tend to agree that there are a significant
number of areas in which the desktop can be better policy enabled. For
future reference, a formalized mechanism to suggest these sorts of additions
is the http://www.windowsserverfeedback.com site, which will wind its way
directly back to the appropriate component team. And I agree with you about
the importance of seemingly minor UI elements. As IT Pros I think it's all
too easy for us to just assume that the end user can find a replacement
process or tool when something goes missing. But, frankly, they don't care -
their view of the computer is that its a tool to be used to achieve a
business purpose and all the fancy UI widgets in the world won't make life
easier unless there is a smooth, well articulated transition.

To answer your question about the Messenger service, please take a look at
the Administrative Templates\Windows Components\Windows Messenger\Do not
allow Windows Messenger to be run policy setting. The Explain text is as
follows, which implies that Disabling this policy setting may give you what
you need (keep in mind that my team doesn't implement these policy settings
so I am only going from what I read here). I am sure there are other policy
settings you will also have to enable, related to the Windows Firewall.

Allows you to disable Windows Messenger. If you enable this setting,
Windows Messenger will not run. If you disable or do not configure this
setting, Windows Messenger can be used. Note: If you enable this setting,
Remote Assistance also cannot use Windows Messenger. Note: This setting is
available under both Computer Configuration and User Configuration. If both
are present, the Computer Configuration version of this setting takes
precedence.



--
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Program Manager, Group Policy
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Post by Robert R K » Fri, 13 Aug 2004 02:12:39

hanks for the reply Mark, I had a high school mate many years ago named
Michael Thomas or Thomas Michael.. I honestly can't remember.

I'll look for the Messenger setting.

I'll also follow the feedback link and make my suggestions. I assume I can
write my own .adm file to adjust the desktop as I need but I was hoping not
to have to go through that pain since I've never done it before. ;-)

BTW: somebody need to pass you end user wisdom back to the developers so
that these things are available at release and not after constant customer
complaints. ;-)

Thanks again.

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Post by Brian Desm » Mon, 16 Aug 2004 05:08:07

hose settings won't fix you're problem. They're for the Windows Messenger
program, not the messenger service.

For the service, I would open a domain level (or whereever applicable) GPO,
and go into the service settings section, and force Messenger to Automatic
Started.

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Post by Mark Willi » Wed, 18 Aug 2004 00:36:03

y bad - thanks for pointing this out Brian.

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Program Manager, Group Policy
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