Vista Windows SBS 2003 Server - Cannot join or browse Internet when Using SBS DNS

Vista Windows SBS 2003 Server - Cannot join or browse Internet when Using SBS DNS

Post by ronf » Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:59:18


I have a Windows SBS 2003 SP2 server. All runs well and no problems
reported. All client are Windows XP SP2.

Purchased 3 new HP PCs preloaded with Vista Business.

Non of these PCs will join domain. Numerous errors.

My Dell Laptop is Vista Business (preloaded). Not part of Domain -
standalone workgroup. If I simply change my DNS to the SBS server
DNS, this laptop will not browse the Internet. (Or obtain from
DHCP). If I change DNS to outside DNS - all is good.

All XP PCs receive DNS from DHCP which is the SBS server and all work
no problem.

I've tried my laptop at other SBS shops and I have no problems
browsing Internet using the SBS DNS.

No errors exist on server in event logs and all is running normal.

What am I missing ?

Thanks for any help.

Ron
 
 
 

Vista Windows SBS 2003 Server - Cannot join or browse Internet when Using SBS DNS

Post by Clau » Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:19:23

Did you install the Vista compatibility patches?

http://www.yqcomputer.com/

--
Claus

 
 
 

Vista Windows SBS 2003 Server - Cannot join or browse Internet when Using SBS DNS

Post by SBITS.B » Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:59:05

So you can't join them to the domain with creating a PC machine on the SBS
server
and go to the Vista box
and use
http://server/connectcomputer/

That doesn't work?

Russ

--

Russell Grover
Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
North America Remote SBS2003 Support - http://www.yqcomputer.com/


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Vista Windows SBS 2003 Server - Cannot join or browse Internet when Using SBS DNS

Post by ronf » Sat, 26 Jan 2008 03:07:47

On Jan 24, 2:59m, "Russ \(SBITS.Biz\)"








Thanks for the replies... I have not installed the compatibility
patches nor do I join PCs to my domain with the SBS wizards. I do a
lot of SBS for clients and I treat it, once its built and functioning,
like a normal WIndows AD environment. What I mean is that I join PCs
to the domain in the normal fashion, from the PC. I do use most of
the wizards when creating users, etc but not PCs. During the add user
wizard, I choose the option of "do not setup computer" when I arrive
at that prompt.

I did not install the compatibility patches because they all read
about not being able to join using the wizards.

I just think its odd that I cannot change a vista PC to the DNS of the
SBS server and browse the internet. I can ping devices locally by
name so I know name resolution is working. Even from the PCs I'm
trying to join to the domain will ping by name, the DC and other
devices that are registered with the DNS. I also do not use WINS.

My other SBS sites seem to be okay. I'm missing something on this
site and cannot seem to pinpoint it.

I thank you again for your input.

Ron
 
 
 

Vista Windows SBS 2003 Server - Cannot join or browse Internet when Using SBS DNS

Post by Cris Hanna » Sat, 26 Jan 2008 07:42:29

his is a multi-part message in MIME format.


Ron,
Let me suggest to you that you are doing yourself and your customers by not continuing to use the wizards on an ongoing basis. While SBS is made up of several standard version products, its much much more than that and very tightly integrated. And in all likelihood the reason you're having issues with Vista is because you don't use the wizards and the patches that were created to resolve the very issues you're having.

--
Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
-------------------------------------------------
Microsoft MVPs
Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)
Real World Answers
---------------------------------------------------------
Please do not contact me directly regarding issues

< XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in message news: XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...
On Jan 24, 2:59 am, "Russ \(SBITS.Biz\)"
< XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote:
> So you can't join them to the domain with creating a PC machine on the SBS
> server
> and go to the Vista box
> and usehttp://server/connectcomputer/
>
> That doesn't work?
>
> Russ
>
> --
>
> Russell Grover
> Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
> Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
> North America Remote SBS2003 Support -http://www.SBITS.Biz
>
> -
>
> "Claus" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in message
>
> news: XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...
>
>
>
> > Did you install the Vista compatibility patches?
>
> >http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926505
>
> > --
> > Claus
> > < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in message
> >news: XXXX@XXXXX.COM ....
> >>I have a Windows SBS 2003 SP2 server. All runs well and no problems
> >> reported. All client are Windows XP SP2.
>
> >> Purchased 3 new HP PCs preloaded with Vista Business.
>
> >> Non of these PCs will join domain. Numerous errors.
>
> >> My Dell Laptop is Vista Business (preloaded). Not part of Domain -
> >> standalone workgroup. If I simply change my DNS to the SBS server
> >> DNS, this laptop will not browse the Internet. (Or obtain from
> >> DHCP). If I change DNS to outside DNS - all is good.
>
> >> All XP PCs receive DNS from DHCP which is the SBS server and all work
> >> no problem.
>
> >> I've tried my laptop at other SBS shops and I have no problems
> >> browsing Internet using the SBS DNS.
>
> >> No errors exist on server in event logs and all is running normal.
>
> >> What am I missing ?
>
> >> Thanks for any help.
>
> >> Ron- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -



Thanks for the replies... I have not installed the compatibility
patches nor do I join PCs to my domain with the SBS wizards. I do a
lot of SBS for clients and I treat it, once its built and functioning,
like a normal WIndows AD environment. What I mean is that I join PCs
to the domain in the normal fashion, from the PC. I do use most of
the wizards when creating users, etc but not PCs. During the add user
wizard, I choose the option of "do not setup computer" when I arrive
at that prompt.

I did not inst
 
 
 

Vista Windows SBS 2003 Server - Cannot join or browse Internet when Using SBS DNS

Post by SBITS.B » Sat, 26 Jan 2008 07:47:47

t's best to use the wizards or you can see you will have issues.

I would suggest using the wizards
but since it seems you refuse to, I'm sorry I do not know any other options.

This Document might help you understand the importance of wizards

Introduction to Windows Small Business Server 2003 for Enterprise IT Pros
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=71211053-CCD6-4F2B-BBD9-5E7B97C232EC&displaylang=en

There are really only Three things to remember with using SBS2003

1. Use the Wizards.
2. Use the Wizards.
3. Use the Wizards.

Russ

--

Russell Grover
Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
North America Remote SBS2003 Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz


-

< XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in message
news: XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...
On Jan 24, 2:59 am, "Russ \(SBITS.Biz\)"
< XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote:



Thanks for the replies... I have not installed the compatibility
patches nor do I join PCs to my domain with the SBS wizards. I do a
lot of SBS for clients and I treat it, once its built and functioning,
like a normal WIndows AD environment. What I mean is that I join PCs
to the domain in the normal fashion, from the PC. I do use most of
the wizards when creating users, etc but not PCs. During the add user
wizard, I choose the option of "do not setup computer" when I arrive
at that prompt.

I did not install the compatibility patches because they all read
about not being able to join using the wizards.

I just think its odd that I cannot change a vista PC to the DNS of the
SBS server and browse the internet. I can ping devices locally by
name so I know name resolution is working. Even from the PCs I'm
trying to join to the domain will ping by name, the DC and other
devices that are registered with the DNS. I also do not use WINS.

My other SBS sites seem to be okay. I'm missing something on this
site and cannot seem to pinpoint it.

I thank you again for your input.

Ron


 
 
 

Vista Windows SBS 2003 Server - Cannot join or browse Internet when Using SBS DNS

Post by SBITS.B » Sat, 26 Jan 2008 07:51:32

his is a multi-part message in MIME format.


Stop it Cris (AGAIN BEAT ME) :)

But Ron Cris is ABSOLUTELY Correct
you are doing yourself and more importantly your customers a Dis Service by not using the wizards.

Russ

--

Russell Grover
Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
North America Remote SBS2003 Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz


-

"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in message news: XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...
Ron,
Let me suggest to you that you are doing yourself and your customers by not continuing to use the wizards on an ongoing basis. While SBS is made up of several standard version products, its much much more than that and very tightly integrated. And in all likelihood the reason you're having issues with Vista is because you don't use the wizards and the patches that were created to resolve the very issues you're having.

--
Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
-------------------------------------------------
Microsoft MVPs
Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)
Real World Answers
---------------------------------------------------------
Please do not contact me directly regarding issues

< XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in message news: XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...
On Jan 24, 2:59 am, "Russ \(SBITS.Biz\)"
< XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote:
> So you can't join them to the domain with creating a PC machine on the SBS
> server
> and go to the Vista box
> and usehttp://server/connectcomputer/
>
> That doesn't work?
>
> Russ
>
> --
>
> Russell Grover
> Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
> Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
> North America Remote SBS2003 Support -http://www.SBITS.Biz
>
> -
>
> "Claus" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in message
>
> news: XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...
>
>
>
> > Did you install the Vista compatibility patches?
>
> >http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926505
>
> > --
> > Claus
> > < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in message
> >news: XXXX@XXXXX.COM ....
> >>I have a Windows SBS 2003 SP2 server. All runs well and no problems
> >> reported. All client are Windows XP SP2.
>
> >> Purchased 3 new HP PCs preloaded with Vista Business.
>
> >> Non of these PCs will join domain. Numerous errors.
>
> >> My Dell Laptop is Vista Business (preloaded). Not part of Domain -
> >> standalone workgroup. If I simply change my DNS to the SBS server
> >> DNS, this laptop will not browse the Internet. (Or obtain from
> >> DHCP). If I change DNS to outside DNS - all is good.
>
> >> All XP PCs receive DNS from DHCP which is the SBS server and all work
> >> no problem.
>
> >> I've tried my laptop at other SBS shops and I have no problems
> >> browsing Internet using the SBS DNS.
>
> >> No errors exist on server in event logs and all is running normal.
>
> >> What am I missing ?
>
> >> Thanks for any help.
>
>
 
 
 

Vista Windows SBS 2003 Server - Cannot join or browse Internet when Using SBS DNS

Post by SBITS.B » Sat, 26 Jan 2008 07:56:15

ere is a Exerpt from that Microsoft Document if you choose not to read the
whole thing:

===================================================================
Use the Windows SBS wizards, not MMC snap-ins
Probably the biggest misstep for Enterprise IT Pros who know Windows Server
only in an enterprise network happens right here: Windows SBS wizards vs.
Microsoft Management Console (MMC) snap-ins. Enterprise IT Pros often,
mistakenly, jump to the familiar MMC snap-ins instead of using the Server
Management console wizards. A good rule of thumb here is this: if the
Windows SBS Server Management console provides a wizard, use it!

Windows SBS is filled with handy wizards that take the place of the MMC
snap-ins that most Enterprise IT Pros use to modify or manage their servers.
Many common management tasks, like adding a new user-something you might
usually do with the Active Directory Users and Computers snap-in-shouldn't
be done with an MMC snap-in. In Windows SBS, you really should use the
wizards provided in the Server Management console.

Here's why: the Windows SBS wizards do customizations behind the scenes that
make the product work best for a typical small-business environment. And, as
I mentioned earlier, some Windows SBS wizards perform several tasks at once,
so that changes you make in one place cause changes behind the scenes in
other places. For example, the Add User Wizard creates a user account in
Active Directory, creates a mailbox for the user in Exchange, and sets
access permissions for the user on the company intranet, to name just a few!
The MMC snap-ins aren't all connected that way, and they haven't been
customized for small-business use, so if you use the snap-ins instead of the
wizards, you might actually break some Windows SBS functionality. In Windows
SBS, Enterprise IT Pros should let the wizards do the magic!
=================================================================================



--

Russell Grover
Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
North America Remote SBS2003 Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz


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Post by ronf » Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:31:38

n Jan 24, 5:56m, "Russ \(SBITS.Biz\)"
< XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote:



Ok I hear you. But lets get real. SBS is tightly integrated but
still is a Windows 2K3 DC server. Look at how the service packs are
applied now. You can simply apply the Exchange SP2 service packs.
None of my clients are using sharepoint and mainly use the OS/
fileserver and the Exchange system - because of the packaging and
cost.

I don't think the wizards are the problem here and I did check and the
compatibility patch is installed.

There is an underlying issue here and I thought you guys may have seen
it. I've been doing this for years. I will give you that in the
early days of SBS, 4.0, 4.5 etc the wizards are the king. But here
all i'm trying to do is join a pc to the domain. Nothing fancy and I
don't need the applications built into SBS installed on the PCs
automatically.

With that said, thank you very much for the suggestions. I will be
onsite today and I will try the wizard to add a PC to the domain. I'm
not against it but its just a step that I seem to think is
unneccessary. I'm an old dog at this, I mean old.

When I find the solution, I will post here to help others...should
they be as hard headed as me :)...

Take care. You guys that post to these forums are very dedicated and
believe me, you help me more than you know by me just browsing and
searching for issues that I may run into where you have helped
others. Thank you for that !
 
 
 

Vista Windows SBS 2003 Server - Cannot join or browse Internet when Using SBS DNS

Post by SBITS.B » Sun, 27 Jan 2008 04:28:54

es I have seen this issue before.
When you don't use all the wizards.

Sorry,
Good luck on doing it the hard way..

Russ

--

Russell Grover
Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
North America Remote SBS2003 Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz


-

< XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in message
news: XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...
On Jan 24, 5:56 pm, "Russ \(SBITS.Biz\)"
< XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote:



Ok I hear you. But lets get real. SBS is tightly integrated but
still is a Windows 2K3 DC server. Look at how the service packs are
applied now. You can simply apply the Exchange SP2 service packs.
None of my clients are using sharepoint and mainly use the OS/
fileserver and the Exchange system - because of the packaging and
cost.

I don't think the wizards are the problem here and I did check and the
compatibility patch is installed.

There is an underlying issue here and I thought you guys may have seen
it. I've been doing this for years. I will give you that in the
early days of SBS, 4.0, 4.5 etc the wizards are the king. But here
all i'm trying to do is join a pc to the domain. Nothing fancy and I
don't need the applications built into SBS installed on the PCs
automatically.

With that said, thank you very much for the suggestions. I will be
onsite today and I will try the wizard to add a PC to the domain. I'm
not against it but its just a step that I seem to think is
unneccessary. I'm an old dog at this, I mean old.

When I find the solution, I will post here to help others...should
they be as hard headed as me :)...

Take care. You guys that post to these forums are very dedicated and
believe me, you help me more than you know by me just browsing and
searching for issues that I may run into where you have helped
others. Thank you for that !


 
 
 

Vista Windows SBS 2003 Server - Cannot join or browse Internet when Using SBS DNS

Post by Cris Hanna » Sun, 27 Jan 2008 07:37:42

his is a multi-part message in MIME format.


Ron
While "most" of the standard Service Packs work for SBS, there was a UNIQUE SP1 for SBS and if you only install the Win2k3 Server SP1 which is part of it..you run into issues down the road.

SBS has had major issues with Win2k3 Server SP2 and several post install fixes/updates/reg changes are required.

There have been discussions recently in another forum that there seem to be issues with Vista OEM installs connecting to the domain. We have brought it to the attention of SBS sustained engineering team. One consideration/option may be to export the SBS Self Signed Cert from a domain workstation and install on the Vista workstation and then try the connectcomputer wizard. Another train of thought is that the way the OEM install occurs, permissions may be set differently than as might occur with a "retail" or VL install.

All that being said, and being one of the oldest dogs in the SBS areana, if you fail to use the wizards, default OOB settings etc, you are just asking for issues somewhere down the road, be it a patch, service pack, upgrade, what have you.

I'm not doing Vista for any of my clients, maybe after OEM with SP1 for vista is available.

--
Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
-------------------------------------------------
Microsoft MVPs
Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)
Real World Answers
---------------------------------------------------------
Please do not contact me directly regarding issues

< XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in message news: XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...
On Jan 24, 5:56 pm, "Russ \(SBITS.Biz\)"
< XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote:
> Here is a Exerpt from that Microsoft Document if you choose not to read the
> whole thing:
>
> ===================================================================
> Use the Windows SBS wizards, not MMC snap-ins
> Probably the biggest misstep for Enterprise IT Pros who know Windows Server
> only in an enterprise network happens right here: Windows SBS wizards vs.
> Microsoft Management Console (MMC) snap-ins. Enterprise IT Pros often,
> mistakenly, jump to the familiar MMC snap-ins instead of using the Server
> Management console wizards. A good rule of thumb here is this: if the
> Windows SBS Server Management console provides a wizard, use it!
>
> Windows SBS is filled with handy wizards that take the place of the MMC
> snap-ins that most Enterprise IT Pros use to modify or manage their servers.
> Many common management tasks, like adding a new user-something you might
> usually do with the Active Directory Users and Computers snap-in-shouldn't
> be done with an MMC snap-in. In Windows SBS, you really should use the
> wizards provided in the Server Management console.
>
> Here's why: the Windows SBS wizards do customizations behind the scenes that
> make the product work best for a typical small-business environment. And, as
> I mentioned earlier, some Windows SBS wizards perform several tasks at once,
> so that changes you make in one place cause changes behind the scenes in
> other places. For example, the Add User Wizard creates a user account in
> Active Directory, creates a mailbox for the user in Exchange, and sets
> access permissions for the user on the company intranet, to name just a few!
> The MMC snap-ins aren't all connected that way,