Why is WU installing Firefox add-on's?

Why is WU installing Firefox add-on's?

Post by Gene » Thu, 04 Mar 2010 21:36:05


his is a multi-part message in MIME format.


Why is WU putting add-ons into Firefox? It's Mozilla's responsibility to take care of their own browser, and I imagine they would prefer it that way.

WU puts the new extension "Microsoft .NET Framework Assistant 0.0.0" into Firefox without any prior notice to user. I'm not sure offhand exactly which WU update does it, but apparently one of the High Priority security updates related to .NET 2.0/3.0/3.5. This add-on from MS is not compatible with Firefox. Only the Enable/Disable button is active, the Options and Uninstall buttons are grayed out.

MS tried to provide a fix to enable the Uninstall button, but it doesn't work with later versions of Firefox as I and many others can verify:
Update to .NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1 for the .NET Framework Assistant 1.0 x86 (KB963707)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=cecc62dc-96a7-4657-af91-6383ba034eab&displaylang=en

MS also published manual removal instructions:
How to remove the .NET Framework Assistant for Firefox
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=963707
I can verify that the manual removal method works OK with my Firefox 3.6 despite some inaccurate details. (There is no general.useragent.extra.microsoftdotnet preference item in my Firefox 3.6 about:config list.) However removing it is pointless(!), because WU then reinstalls it via High Priority KB963707. The only way to prevent reinstallation is to disable KB963707 in WU.

In fact Mozilla has their own version of Microsoft .NET Framework Assistant 1.2 which works OK as I can verify with Firefox 3.6. It can be installed on top of the MS 0.0.0 version, then 0.0.0 doesn't appear. However the MS 0.0.0 version wasn't replaced and reappears if 1.2 is uninstalled. The MS 0.0.0 version is not needed, only causes problems, and somehow needs to be killed by WU.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Why is WU putting add-ons into Firefox? It's Mozilla's
responsibility to take care of their own browser, and I imagine they would
prefer it that way.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>WU puts the new extension "Microsoft .NET Framework
Assistant 0.0.0" into Firefox without any prior notice to user. I'm not sure
offhand exactly which WU update does it, but apparently one of the High
Priority security updates related to .NET 2.0/3.0/3.5. This add-on from MS
is not compatible with Firefox. Only the Enable/Disable button is active, the
Options and Uninstall buttons are grayed out.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>MS tried to provide a fix to enable the Uninstall button,
but it doesn't work with later versions of Firefox as I and many others can
verify:<BR>Update to .NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1 for the .NET Framework
Assistant 1.0 x86 (KB963707)<BR></FONT><A
href="http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=cecc62dc-96a7-4657-af91-6383ba034eab&displaylang=en"><FONT
face=Arial>http://www.micros
 
 
 

Why is WU installing Firefox add-on's?

Post by PA Bear [M » Fri, 05 Mar 2010 04:14:01

No one here works for or represents Microsoft.


<SNIP?

 
 
 

Why is WU installing Firefox add-on's?

Post by Gene » Fri, 05 Mar 2010 06:23:02

Why is that strange comment relevant to my post?
 
 
 

Why is WU installing Firefox add-on's?

Post by PA Bear [M » Fri, 05 Mar 2010 06:39:05

Because your comment/rant is falling on deaf ears here. IOW, save your
bandwidth.
 
 
 

Why is WU installing Firefox add-on's?

Post by EN59CV » Fri, 05 Mar 2010 06:58:52


Because he is a pig and a member of the Geriatric Society!
 
 
 

Why is WU installing Firefox add-on's?

Post by Michae » Fri, 05 Mar 2010 09:25:43


...and your father fu@ks your sister. Don't throw stones whilst living in
an *** uous glass house.
--


"Don't pick a fight with an old man.
If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
 
 
 

Why is WU installing Firefox add-on's?

Post by Gene » Fri, 05 Mar 2010 10:20:42

I thought this was the MS Windows Update group. Maybe I was mistaken - but
if not here, then where? At least I'd like a reasonable response to my
primary question... Why is Windows Update installing Firefox add-ons without
any prior notice to user, especially buggy incompatible ones?
--
Marco
 
 
 

Why is WU installing Firefox add-on's?

Post by ybS2ok » Fri, 05 Mar 2010 10:37:51


So you are offering your wife and sister to him as well to get a job as his
spokes-person? How much is your sister charging these days for 0ral and
full blown sex?
 
 
 

Why is WU installing Firefox add-on's?

Post by ybS2ok » Fri, 05 Mar 2010 10:43:21


It could be so that it becomes easier for M$ to sabotage Firefox on your
system to force you to start re-using IE8!!!

Now this is just a guess. In Europe, people are offered a choice of
browsers and the patch is so bad that it has become a nuisance because of
pop-ups every now and then. Surely, M$ could have done a better job but no.
It has to cause inconvenience to its users to teach EU Commissionaires a
lesson!! Now this is called capitalism at its best!
 
 
 

Why is WU installing Firefox add-on's?

Post by Gene » Fri, 05 Mar 2010 11:00:21

You may be right but more likely, I believe, is the MS software engineers
are inept and out of touch. The whole .NET complex is a big mess, very
difficult to install and update properly. After several tries and a major
effort, I finally got .NET 1.0 thru 3.5 completely installed and patched,
working OK except for the subject of this thread. Then I get only strange
responses to my research in this MS WU group, suggesting that the MS-MVP's
here aren't up to the task either. So I can't be very optimistic that
they'll ever fix it...
 
 
 

Why is WU installing Firefox add-on's?

Post by ybS2ok » Fri, 05 Mar 2010 11:17:27


Did you install all the .Net Framework Applications from 1.1 to 3.5 SP1? If
so then I have to say you wasted a lot of time because you should have
installed only 3.5 SP1 because it is cumulative from 2.0 onwards. Then this
leaves 1.1 but it may not be needed unless you are using very old programs
like Quickbooks version 6 or VS 2003.

I have decided not to install any updates post SP3 and my system is perfect
and I don't have any worries about viruses or spywares or even DoS attacks
because my Firewall has "No Exceptions allowed".

MS-MVPs are a bunch of geriatrics who are jobless and no one wants to employ
them. So they spend their time here to keep renewing their membership of
the Pig-Society"


hth
 
 
 

Why is WU installing Firefox add-on's?

Post by Gene » Fri, 05 Mar 2010 11:51:13

My computer (XP Home, an OEM 2002 version) came with .NET 1.0 installed, and
I had to do everything else.

Yes, I installed everything individually from .NET 1.0 through 3.5. I tried
a lot of ways, and that's the only way it would work for me. What finally
worked was to uninstall everything squeaky clean with the .NET removal tool,
then reinstall in order: 1.0, 1.0 SP1, 1.1, 1.1 SP1, 2.0, 2.0 SP1, 3.0, 3.0
SP1, 3.5, 3.5 SP1 - all of them downloaded directly from MS (nothing from
WU). Only after that process was complete did I let WU get involved.
Otherwise WU simply couldn't understand and returned errors/refusals to
install!

When I let Windows Update get involved, it was a revealing experience. It
redownloaded and reinstalled several of the items I'd already installed, and
in several stages/tiers. I believe it reinstalled some of the same things
2-3 times! The whole process took several hours but their almost
interminable series of patches finally came to an end.

I have tried to study and understand the .NET system but could find no clear
overall explanations. Part of the problem is the MS method of dropping
software after awhile. I believe their .NET 1.0 is already dropped and being
ignored, as is perhaps also .NET 1.1(?). However some of my software still
uses those .NET versions so I guess I need them.

As for installing only .NET 3.5 SP1 as the method to get .NET 2.0 thru 3.5
inclusive, I wasn't aware of that possibility. Perhaps I tried it, I can't
remember. I tried almost everything! :)
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G3

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Why is WU installing Firefox add-on's?

Post by Harry John » Fri, 05 Mar 2010 12:18:35


As PA Bear already pointed out, nobody here works for or represents Microsoft.
Therefore, we are unable to provide useful answers to questions about
Microsoft's motives for doing something.

If you need technical assistance to remove the update or prevent it from
reinstalling, we'll be happy to help.

... on the technical side, I will add a few corrections: strictly speaking
Windows Update is not installing the add-on. The add-on is a part of .NET,
which Windows Update will install, if you permit it to do so.

It should also be noted that the "uninstall" option Microsoft added was purely
cosmetic - there isn't really anything to uninstall, so if "uninstall" has
stopped working, "disable" is just as good.

Harry.

--
Harry Johnston
http://www.yqcomputer.com/
 
 
 

Why is WU installing Firefox add-on's?

Post by Harry John » Fri, 05 Mar 2010 12:27:46


Could you provide a link for this? I'd like to investigate.

Harry.

--
Harry Johnston
http://www.yqcomputer.com/
 
 
 

Why is WU installing Firefox add-on's?

Post by Gene » Fri, 05 Mar 2010 12:33:23

Thanks for the clarification. I didn't know for sure where it came from,
just that it was installed by MS or WU without prior user knowledge and it
didn't work right. A lot of people seem to agree about those points, for
example:
https://support.mozilla.com/en-US/forum/1/562619
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G3