need a good backup method or program

need a good backup method or program

Post by RGFuaWVsIC » Thu, 09 Aug 2007 04:36:01


Hi

I have XP Pro, having just survived a major crash, and losing data since the
last backup, 5 days, I need to set up a daily backup that my wife can run at
the end of each day, she takes care of the business end of things,

I need to have an icon on the desktop that can be double clicked and it
runs, is there a program out there that can do this that won't take over the
PC and load a lot of stuff I don't want, I tried to set something up with
Windows backup but it does not run automatically for some reason.

All help appreciated

regards

Daniel
 
 
 

need a good backup method or program

Post by Gary S. Te » Thu, 09 Aug 2007 05:01:45

Acronis True Image. Check out it's command-line usage.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

 
 
 

need a good backup method or program

Post by Gary S. Te » Thu, 09 Aug 2007 05:13:44

Hmmm... I should have mentioned that I use ATI workstation, not the home
edition. Home edition *might* not have a command-line interface. Then again,
it just might not be mentioned in the Home edition's manual. It's in the
Workstation edition manual, which I can't find on their site.

I think I'll back away slowly, <s>. Good luck.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com
 
 
 

need a good backup method or program

Post by RGFuaWVsIC » Thu, 09 Aug 2007 05:50:02

Gary, thanks for the reply,

perhaps I can get the ATI edition, I'm not sure what it is, but how will a
command line interface help me?

thanks
 
 
 

need a good backup method or program

Post by c2dvcHV » Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:04:00

Acronis True image 10 will allow you to make scheduled backups, mine is set
for once a month, just be sure your destination has enough room for the
backup files to reside.
 
 
 

need a good backup method or program

Post by Uncle Grum » Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:16:20


You might look to changing that: a lot can happen/change in a month.

I do a full backup - FULL BACKUP - of my system every night to a
second internal hard drive (I have three internal drives and one
external). It's completed automatically at a time that I'm unlikely to
be using the system.

I do a full backup to the external drive weekly, and do incremental
backups nightly - again, at a time when I'm unlikely to be using my
system.

My third internal hard drive? It's a clone of my system drive and I
clone that every Sunday morning when I leave for church.

AND... I use a program called Second Copy to keep my data updated on
that third, cloned drive.

I'm rarely more than a few hours away from restoring everything to
what I want/need.
 
 
 

need a good backup method or program

Post by Anna » Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:57:55

"Daniel - Sydney" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in message
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Daniel:
In addition to the Acronis True Image program that has been mentioned, you
might want to check out another comprehensive backup program to meet your
wife's needs. As a matter of fact it might even meet your needs!

I'm assuming you've had little or no experience with disk imaging/disk
cloning programs that are employed as comprehensive backup programs, so I'm
going to provide a substantial amount of background info as I describe this
particular program. The info I'm providing has been taken from a paper I
prepared for the members of a local computer re this program. So forgive me
if I'm including info that you're already familiar with re these types of
programs...

The program we've been working with over the past six months or so is the
Casper 4.0 disk cloning program. By & large we've been quite impressed with
this program and it's become our disk-cloning program of choice. Let me say
at the outset, however, that potential users should note that this is a
*disk cloning* program - not a disk imaging program - in the sense that the
program is designed to create (for all practical purposes) a bit-for-bit
copy of the HDD so that if the recipient of the "clone" is an internal HDD,
that cloned HDD will be bootable and its data immediately accessible, unlike
the situation where a disk image is created on the recipient HDD and a
recovery process is necessary to restore the image to a bootable,
data-accessible state.

Note, however, that should the recipient of the clone be a USB or Firewire
external HDD - since that device is not ordinarily bootable - its contents
(although accessible from the boot HDD) would need to be "cloned back" to an
internal HDD should the recovery/restore process be necessary to create a
bootable HDD. On the other hand, should the HDD encased in the USB enclosure
be removable, it could be installed as an internal HDD in the PC and thus
the user would once again have a bootable functioning HDD.

The Casper 4.0 program also has the happy capability of cloning individual
partitions on one HDD to another HDD, not merely creating a "disk image" of
the partition(s).

The significant advantage of the Casper 4.0 disk cloning program over other
disk cloning programs that we're familiar with, e.g., Acronis True Image or
Symantec's Norton Ghost, is its ability to create *incremental* disk clones
following the creation of the original (first) disk clone. Employing what
Casper calls its "SmartClone" technology the program can create subsequent
disk clones of the source HDD usually at a fraction of the time it takes to
create a "full" disk clone. This results in a decided incentive for users to
undertake frequent complete backups of their systems knowing that they can
create "incremental" disk clones in a relatively short period of time.

The Casper 4.0 program's capability in creating these incremental disk
clones results in a significant savings of time as compared to the usual
time it takes to create a cloned disk using other disk-cloning programs.
Knowing that this incremental disk cloning process will take only a
relatively short period of time provides the user with increased motivation
to back up their systems on a much more frequent & systematic basis than
they might otherwise do - a most desirable result as I think most PC users
w
 
 
 

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Post by Gary S. Te » Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:00:29

ATI is short for Acronis True Image. Check it out here:
www.acronis.com

Most people use the Home edition, but I use their Workstation version, which
is somewhat different. The reason I mention the command-line aspects is so
you can easily make a shortcut that starts the backup. Otherwise, you need
to open the program to start a manual backup. You can also avoid using ATI's
own scheduler and use Windows Scheduled Tasks, instead. Not that you're
likely to need it, but I found ATI's own scheduler to be deficient. Had to
write my own scripts to get the results I wanted.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com
 
 
 

need a good backup method or program

Post by Ken Blake, » Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:14:58


Careful, Gary. That might confuse people. Although that's what you
meant by ATI, most people thing of ATI as a video card manufacturer.
http://www.yqcomputer.com/







--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
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Post by DL » Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:27:55

I'm with you there;
Main hd mirrored, using a dedicated raid card, Acronis automatically
creating a clone every 2 days to a third hd, data & certain sys files backed
up every night offsite, and finally weekly data backup to an external
drive - backups done with seperate apps & all verified.

Its not the data recovery that takes the time, its the App
reinstallation/configeration, in the event of a total sys failure.
 
 
 

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Post by Gary S. Te » Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:04:47

eah, I realize that. I was referring to my previous usage. Should have
added some annotation, <s>.

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Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

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Post by RGFuaWVsIC » Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:32:01

Gary et Al

thasnks for your relies, I will look into it, I am a total novice with
command line except to run chkdsk etc, how do I use a command line to ruin a
back up, basically I do not understand how or what is required?

thanks and regards
 
 
 

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Post by Gary S. Te » Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:22:30

he program's documentation tells you how to construct the command, what the
variable parameters are, so you can tell the app in detail what you want it
to do. You don't need to open a command prompt and type in the command, you
can use a command line in a shortcut, for instance, or in a script or batch
file. This is the command line I use to run my edition of Acronis on this
machine:
C:\progra~1\Acronis\TrueImageWorkstation\TrueImageCmd.exe /create
/filename:{varies} /incremental /compression:3 /partition:1-1,1-2,1-3,1-4

That command says to create an image file (with a name determined by the
script I use to launch the procedure), to make it incremental (though if
that filename doesn't already exist, then a full backup is done), to use
medium compression, and to include partitions 1, 2, 3, and 4 on disk 1.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

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need a good backup method or program

Post by RGFuaWVsIC » Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:30:43

ary

Thanks for taking the time to detail it for me, I will give it a go.

regards

Daniel

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need a good backup method or program

Post by RGFuaWVsIC » Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:48:01

i Anna

nice to hear from you again, of course you know why I am here in the first
place,
and thanks for your detailed advice.

The Casper 4.0 looks to be exactly what I am looking for, especially with
the boot disk as I want to back up to an external USB drive.

I'll have a close look at it and let you know.

regards

Daniel

"Anna" wrote: