Messenger 4.7 not upgrading to 5.0

Messenger 4.7 not upgrading to 5.0

Post by Keith Patr » Sat, 05 Jun 2004 02:28:09

I keep running the 5.0 installer from, and it runs the
installer as the instructions say, but when it is finished, it starts up
Messenger, although it's still version 4.7. I am running as admin, I've
shut down the app and the service, but every time I do it (and I've run it
many times with no error message), it's still 4.7.

BTW: What is the deal with the download page just calling it the "Latest
Version"? That's like saying "Things will be working tomorrow" without
providing a concrete frame of reference (not picking on MS...same stuff with
Google Toolbar) If I didn't already have a machine running 5.0, I really
wouldn't know if I do have the latest version, as WM doesn't have any kind
of "Check for updates" feature.

Messenger 4.7 not upgrading to 5.0

Post by J_Zanett » Sat, 05 Jun 2004 02:35:49

"Keith Patrick" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > ha scritto

Uninstall msn 4.7!
It can be done through a bat file.
Look here how to do : ; Potato Joe post..
after removing it, install new version
good luck!

=============== Totalias J_Zanetti ================
Tessera #9 "Nel segno di Cruz"
Tessera #0 #7 "ANDY SCHIET ZE ALLEMAAL" (fondatore)
============== XXXX@XXXXX.COM ===============


Messenger 4.7 not upgrading to 5.0

Post by Keith Patr » Sat, 05 Jun 2004 03:09:43

This is not MSN's Windows Messenger.

But yeah, that's a last resort, but I'm curious as to whether or not this is
a bug and if MS is going to fix it. I searched Knowledge Base (which,
incidentally, I hate with a passion, as I rarely ever get relevant results
out of pages and pages of "noise") for "4.7 5.0" and got a big fat nothing
in terms of an idea of an existing problem. Is there a better way to check
via MS if something is a bug?


Messenger 4.7 not upgrading to 5.0

Post by Jonathan K » Sat, 05 Jun 2004 05:18:14

Greetings Keith,

That's rather odd, 5.0 does install over 4.7. Just to be sure, are you sure you are
downloading the correct installation?

For instance: ,
Windows Messenger 5.
Jonathan Kay
Microsoft MVP - Windows Messenger/MSN Messenger
Associate Expert
Messenger Resources -
All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2004 Jonathan Kay.
You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.

Messenger 4.7 not upgrading to 5.0

Post by danis » Sat, 05 Jun 2004 11:37:00

are u sure you're not installing msn 5.0 instead of
windows messenger?
whether or not this is
Knowledge Base (which,
get relevant results
a big fat nothing
better way to check

< XXXX@XXXXX.COM > ha scritto, and it runs the
finished, it starts up
running as admin, I've
do it (and I've run
Potato Joe post..
Cruz" >>> Tessera #0 #7 "ANDY SCHIET ZE ALLEMAAL" (fondatore) >>> ============== XXXX@XXXXX.COM =============== >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>. >>

Messenger 4.7 not upgrading to 5.0

Post by Keith Patr » Sat, 05 Jun 2004 16:41:31

I am absolutely, 100% positive. I can even provide screenshots if you like.
The installer does not provide an error message when it fails, plain and

Messenger 4.7 not upgrading to 5.0

Post by Keith Patr » Sat, 05 Jun 2004 17:03:41

hat did the trick. THANK YOU!
Now, why in the name of all that is holy would MS put the most recent
version in some obscure place yet put an older version on the default page?
I hope when I go to the store to buy Windows FX (or whatever Longhorn is
called), I am not told that if I want to buy off the shelf (aka,
conveniently), I can have XP, but I want the most current version, I have to
hunt down some relatively obscure location to buy the new version. Is 5.0
somehow deficient enough for MS to make it harder to get than the old
version? If that is the case, why is it a release rather than some tech
preview or being QA'ed? I'm just agast a bit because there is this huge
push to makes things user-friendly, but I cannot see how the default
Messenger page is not current. And to reinforce, here is a quote directly
from the page: "Need a different version of Windows Messenger? Click the
link below for the version you need." Now, what is the link below? Windows
Messenger for Microsoft Office Live Communications Server 2003 Nowhere on
that page is 5.0 ever mentioned.

And to anyone who can affect this, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make it more clear
what the current version is. Relativity means jack squat without a point of
reference. "4.7" is mentioned at the bottom of the page, but it is not made
clear that the link is that version (if I go to grab the most current
version from the product's homepage, and you've got 4.7 and 5.0 floating
around, in my world, 5.0 is more current) So I go to the Messenger home
page and try to download the most current version, I would expect to get
*the most current version*

BTW: Please don't chalk this up to me being anti-MS. In fact, I am very
pro-MS (if I buy a piece of software, I will buy MS first, regardless of
features my experience is usually more stable and consistent). I am not too
happy with this whole fiasco because in my experience, MS is the most
user-friendly software (I don't "get" the MacOS paradigm as far as apps go),
and this thing has been anything but.

"Jonathan Kay [MVP]" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in message
news: XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...
sure you are
Messenger 4.7 but,