Who is just as know or influential as Jakob Nielsen, but disagrees with Jakob Nielsen?

Who is just as know or influential as Jakob Nielsen, but disagrees with Jakob Nielsen?

Post by madsgormla » Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:59:30


Hi
I hope you might help regarding, who is just as know or influential as
Jakob Nielsen, but disagrees with Jakob Nielsen?
Preferably a person who has a scientific academic outlook on usability,
perhaps somebody who has written a PhD. with a critique of Jakob
Nielsen, and then latter on published books, papers and articles based
on the PhD.

I am going to write a thesis on the subject of usability, and basically
I need different views on the matter. It seams to me that there is
Jakob Nielsen, but no prominent opposition to his views.

Thanks in advance, all help is appreciated.

Mads Larsen
 
 
 

Who is just as know or influential as Jakob Nielsen, but disagrees with Jakob Nielsen?

Post by bks » Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:27:11

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,


Well, it's not like Nielsen has published anything particularly
controversial! One thing that has always bugged me is that
Nielsen was one of the main architects of the Sun website
< http://www.yqcomputer.com/ ;
and it is a disaster.

--bks

 
 
 

Who is just as know or influential as Jakob Nielsen, but disagrees with Jakob Nielsen?

Post by CAH » Fri, 01 Apr 2005 01:45:01


There is plenty to disagree with Jakob Nielsen about, and there are
plenty who disagrees with him, he is for example often criticized in
small articles by less know graphics artist. But it seams to me that it
is hard to imagine somebody writing a paper on usability without
mentioning Jakob Nielsen, and I was wondering if there has not emerged
some counter part to Jakob Nielsen, somebody almost famous for
disagreeing with Nielsen. But I find it hard to find somebody who can
be called the counter part to Jakob Nielsen.
 
 
 

Who is just as know or influential as Jakob Nielsen, but disagrees with Jakob Nielsen?

Post by bks » Fri, 01 Apr 2005 02:42:51

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,


For example?

--bks
 
 
 

Who is just as know or influential as Jakob Nielsen, but disagrees with Jakob Nielsen?

Post by CAH » Fri, 01 Apr 2005 03:53:35

Well, first of I have to admit I am about to start reading Jakob
Nielsen, so far I am just looking for literature, and I think JN is in
many ways brilliant. But is in my understanding that the general
criticism of JN is that he underestimates the power of the "look and
feel" of a web site, in particular in regards sites were the goal is
experience and not so much information ( http://www.yqcomputer.com/ ).
Further more he focuses on details, and does not take a look at the
broader perspective of a site.

This sort of critique you can find here
http://www.yqcomputer.com/
 
 
 

Who is just as know or influential as Jakob Nielsen, but disagrees with Jakob Nielsen?

Post by Sanji » Fri, 01 Apr 2005 05:14:36

Jacob Nielson generally comments on the 'effect' portion of the
artifact. The long war between usability and designers can simply be
put to rest 'IF' they adopt a partnership approach which underscores
the 'know your role' philosophy (aka persona development).

A partnership that works really well is the the Software Developer/QA
partnership. Software developers 'build something'. QA experts 'test
something'.

Designers 'build something', usability experts 'test something'.

This symbiotic relationship just needs to be accepted. Even if you're
the 'same' person, you really have to switch hats in order to play the
role.

Cause & Effect. I think JN is all about EGO. But then again so are most
designers.
 
 
 

Who is just as know or influential as Jakob Nielsen, but disagrees with Jakob Nielsen?

Post by deep_fros » Fri, 01 Apr 2005 06:55:24

Hi,

i remember someone, can't remember his name wrote a rather long paper
criticising JN in the early 2000's. i think the papers called "Damaged
goods" or something like that, Does anyone remember the full title or
the author?


Nam
 
 
 

Who is just as know or influential as Jakob Nielsen, but disagrees with Jakob Nielsen?

Post by Ville Ilvo » Fri, 01 Apr 2005 18:16:11


I read an article by R. Stanley *** s from North Carolina State University
with topic "Mis-Usability: On the Uses and Misuses of Usability Testing".

A quote from the article: "As a result, Nielsen advocated "discount"
usability testing showing that tests with as few as four or five users are
able to uncover 80% of the problems with a product. Such tests do fit
within most development budgets and also allow for earlier, more valuable,
and more frequent testing to be done. However, they also lead to some
confusion about discovering usability problems and conducting formal,
empirical, repeatable research."

Perhaps you can find more critique from the author. I wish you all the
best with your work.

Cheers,

-Ville
 
 
 

Who is just as know or influential as Jakob Nielsen, but disagrees with Jakob Nielsen?

Post by CAH » Fri, 01 Apr 2005 18:24:03

Hi Ville

Looks really good, I will get a hold of the articel, perhaps it has
references as well.

Thanks.
 
 
 

Who is just as know or influential as Jakob Nielsen, but disagrees with Jakob Nielsen?

Post by CAH » Tue, 05 Apr 2005 17:26:09

If we test davidbowie.com by the 10 Heuristics set forth by JN, would
it score high or low, and more importantly should it score high or low.
Should we always aim at things such as minimalist design, consistency
and efficiency of use?

I would like to append a sort of follow up question, can anybody think
of a site that is a success, but clearly does not live up to the
requirements set fort by Jakob Nilsen. If nobody can do that, I would
say that JN is defiantly called guru for a very good reason. Personally
I find it difficult to come up with an example, I think that site's
that does not live up to the requirement set fort by JN, are mostly
experiments and branding sites, like davidbowie.com. But it is
difficult to claim that such a site is a success for any other reason
than the music of David Bowie. The same is probably true of a lot of
branding site's, so my question is, can anybody think of such sites?

Just to clarify something, I think JN makes a lot of sense, I am just
trying to learn something in order to write a paper, and I find that to
find opposing views is a good exercise in testing JN views on
usability.
 
 
 

Who is just as know or influential as Jakob Nielsen, but disagrees with Jakob Nielsen?

Post by bks » Tue, 05 Apr 2005 20:53:54

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,


cnn.com is the one of the worst sites on the web. In fact
the websites of nearly all the US media outlets are hopeless
mounds of indeciperable fruit salad. But I think they
are still used heavily.

--bks
 
 
 

Who is just as know or influential as Jakob Nielsen, but disagrees with Jakob Nielsen?

Post by CAH » Tue, 05 Apr 2005 21:41:12

But CNN seems to be a site that does live up to the rules set forth by
JN?
 
 
 

Who is just as know or influential as Jakob Nielsen, but disagrees with Jakob Nielsen?

Post by bks » Tue, 05 Apr 2005 21:49:30

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,


If you say so. It looks like *** to me.

--bks
 
 
 

Who is just as know or influential as Jakob Nielsen, but disagrees with Jakob Nielsen?

Post by CAH » Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:48:51

I think you misunderstod the question "can anybody think
of a site that is a success, but clearly does not live up to the
requirements set fort by Jakob Nilsen. " - by that I mean something you
think is a great site, but a site that is not a good site in the
opinion of JN.
 
 
 

Who is just as know or influential as Jakob Nielsen, but disagrees with Jakob Nielsen?

Post by bks » Fri, 08 Apr 2005 03:58:07

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,


Which set of requirements? These:

< http://www.yqcomputer.com/ ;
?

--bks