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Tattoo Vampire pulled this Usenet face plant:



Sure is funny how these trolls move the goalposts. "Linux is under 1%".
But when a form a Linux called Android looms, it doesn't count. "It's only
on smart phones."

We'll see what happens when Google's PC OS comes out.

--
Indeed, the first noble truth of Buddhism, usually translated as
`all life is suffering,' is more accurately rendered `life is filled
with a sense of pervasive unsatisfactoriness.'
-- M. D. Epstein

The trolls can spin what they want, but it won't matter. Linux is here
to stay. Overall, the masses are tired. The 3rd Reich in Redmond is on
their way out. They can only compete based on monopoly maintenance,
similar to Douglas Aircraft, who was competitive prior to the 70's and
the McDonnell Douglas Corporation overall until the late 90's. The
latest monopoly maintenance spin is threat of software patent
violations. Nobody likes a bully. Nothing the Redmond giant has produced
so far has netted any lasting real fruit, they will drift into oblivion,
IMHO.

--
HPT

Desktop Linux Liarmutt.
Desktop Linux.

Desktop Linux is under 1 percent.

See here for examples:

http://www.yqcomputer.com/

So, it appears to me that the future of Linux is in embedded
devices and servers (of course) but not really a factor in the
desktop space. Thus, should Linux distributors put more effort into
making Linux better for the non-desktop space or continue their
seemingly uphill battle in the desktop space?

Most of us have ALWAYS supported Linux for years when used in
servers and embedded devices.
It's a good place for Linux.

Stop trying to re-write history with your lies.

Hadron is right, you really are creepy.

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flatfish+++
Mariana Trench.
Linux doesn't suck, it's just misunderstood.

On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 18:33:38 -0700, in comp.os.linux.advocacy you




Yea, but they ain't moving to Linux.

http://www.yqcomputer.com/

There is nothing to spin.
Linux on the desktop has flat lined.
It's always been on life support.

Why not just pull the plug on it now and stop the future
embarrassment?




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flatfish+++
Mariana Trench.
Linux doesn't suck, it's just misunderstood.

On 2010-12-05, the following emerged from the brain of flatfish+++:


This reasoning always struck me as incredibly odd. Even at just one
single percent GNU/Linux is being used by about ten million people.
How can a 'product' that is being used by ten million people be
considered 'being on life support'?

And if only /one/ percent of these users are actually contributing
(programming, packaging, bug reporting, documentation...) just one
hour per day, that means one hundred thousand hours /per day/ of
active community development, or a whopping thirty-six million hours
/per year/. How can a product that gets this amount of development per
year be considered 'being on life support'?

Worst case number those are.

Try to put things in perspective sometimes, people.

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€ , €€ . € €€ € .

Because a good portion of the people wasting their time on desktop
Linux could be put to use writing software for embedded devices,
Android applications etc.
Something that could actually help Linux.



How come it doesn't show then?
The programs for the most part are crappy and fragmented, the help
systems and documentation are awful and so forth.

The best Linux applications are the cross platform ones like Open
Office or Gimp. Both fine pieces of software IMHO on Linux or
Windows.

The only thing keeping Linux alive as a desktop system is the "5
minutes of fame" situation, which is one reason there are 500+
distributions, and the fact that Linux is free and cost, for the
most part, nothing but time to develop (Debian, Slackware etc) so it
isn't constrained by classic commercial software business practices.


You can try and spin it all you want, in the scheme of things Linux
is a stinker.
It's a failure.

If this was a commercial enterprise, it would be out of business.

That's really the only thing keeping Linux alive as a desktop
system.
The fact that it is free.

Personally, if *I* were running the show, I would combine the
resources of SuSE, Redhat, Ubuntu, Fedora and create one master
super version of desktop Linux.

I would encourage all the "5 minutes of fame by creating your own
distribution" people to stop wasting their time and start coding for
Android, embedded and server applications for Linux.

Could you imagine if all that man(and woman) power was focused and
organized with true leadership instead of being scattered all over
the place all in the name of "choice"?

It would be *incredible*.

And it would be Microsoft's worst nightmare.

Just some thoughts.

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flatfish+++
Mariana Trench.
Desktop Linux doesn't suck, it's just ignored.
Here are Linux desktop usage figures:
http://www.yqcomputer.com/

No - that won't do, flatfish.

The only figures that are going to matter are those from NetApplications
etc.
You and others have argued this extensively - and recently.
Time and again, you have all pointed out that the only figures you or
anybody else has are from web hits.

Those web hits are increasing going to come from smartphones,
tablets/slates, set-top boxes, etc., and increasingly therefore Linux.

Even hadron's figures are going to change. He frequently quotes the BBC
when it was asked to support Linux for the iPlayer. His claim is that then
(2007) Linux only accounted for 0.6% of BBC hits - but the BBC went ahead
anyway.
Now, people are increasingly going to access the News, Weather, Test Match
results, iPlayer etc. from devices other than the desktop. Consequently,
those figures will change, and change dramatically.
The BBC (or anybody else, including me) isn't going to distinguish between
hardware devices that the OS is running on.

You and your ilk have made this bed for yourselves. Now it's time for you
to lie in it.

Verily I say unto thee, that TomB spake thusly:


Even if only one person in the world used GNU/Linux, who has the right
to deny him/her that choice, and what sort of person would want to?

Of course that's a rhetorical question. We already know exactly what
sort of people want to oppress freedom: evil bastards like "flatfish".
May he *** to death on his own villainous bile, and burn in Hell where
he belongs.

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K. | Ancient Chinese Proverb:
http://www.yqcomputer.com/ | "The road to Hell is paved with
Fedora 8 (Werewolf) on sky | ignorant twits who know nothing
kernel 2.6.31.5, up 1 day | about GNU/Linux."

Who cares?
Nobody is trying deny anyone anything you paranoid nutcase.


You're a total screwball [Homer].....
You belong in a padded cell under heavy medication and 24/7
observation.

The evil people are you phonies like you who have made your living
with Microsoft and proprietary software and now that things have
gone well for you, sit back and expect others to sacrifice while you
never did so.

You are nothing but hypocrites.


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flatfish+++
Mariana Trench.
Desktop Linux doesn't suck, it's just ignored.
Here are Linux desktop usage figures:
http://www.yqcomputer.com/

"flatfish+++" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > schreef in bericht



Luckily [H]omer AKA [M]oron has a almost no audience left, to spew his
paranoid *** to.
http://www.yqcomputer.com/

n 2010-12-05, the following emerged from the brain of flatfish+++:

Again: how can 10 million users be considered a failure? I have no
idea how the above is even vaguely related to that question.

And mind you: these are just /desktop/ users. Exactly the type of user
you want to discuss. Ten million. Personally I think it's more, but
that isn't even important. Ten million is a fine enough figure for me.
Hell, even one million wouldn't be too bad.


Absolute bollocks. I will not say that there are no crappy programs on
GNU/Linux, but there are *a lot* of fine programs too.

My window manager is brilliant.
My news reader kicks ass.
My MUA is one of the most flexible and fast ones around.
My command shell is top notch, and so is the terminal emulator I run
it in.
The kernel is one of the most comprehensive and complete kernel around
these days.
The networking stack is fabulous.
The filesystems I use are rock solid and barely suffer from
fragmentation.
I have a very robust, centralized package management system, taking
care of everything from the kernel to my web browser.
My web browser is awesome.
My video player plays virtually anything I throw at it.
I can record, mix and master 96/24 audio with sub-millisecond
latency.
I can grab DV video over firewire/USB, process it and convert it to
almost any contemporary format.
I have a real word-class MTA.
I have a wide range of industry class networking tools at my disposal.

And so on. So don't come tell me that 'Linux applications' are
generally crap.


No, what's keeping GNU/Linux alive on the desktop are the millions of
users that use it everyday as their main desktop operating system.


A failure with 10 million users on the desktop alone.


Yeah, cause commercial enterprises with millions of users tend to go
out of business just like that.


Free-as-in-beer obviously is part of it, but it wouldn't have millions
of desktop users if it wasn't any good at all too. And it is good.
Perhaps not for everyone, but good it is. In many aspects even better
than other operating systems.


Since no one is 'running the show' in the GNU/Linux universe, you're
hypothesis is not even remotely interesting.


And as such you'd ignore the millions of desktop users, leaving them
out in the cold. You'll be a hero!


Odd thoughts.

--
Van m'n erf!!!
~ Boer Teunis.

On 2010-12-05, the following emerged from the brain of Homer:

If tomorrow all GNU/Linux distros seized to exist, absolutely nothing
is stopping me from rolling my own, including only the stuff that I
need.

Distros are basically just for convenience, bringing the thousands of
free programs out there to the user.

--
The bigger the waistband, the deeper the quicksand.
~ David St.-Hubbins

On 2010-12-05, TomB < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > claimed:


Flatfart should talk to the "True Linux Advocate" to see if s/h/it can
get a permanent seat on the Rhonda Qook Linux Culling Committee.
Combined I'd think they could get a lot more people to ignore them than
they can get individually.

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Hell, if you understood everything I said, you'd be me!
Aspire One, Peppermint Ice
Friends don't let friends use Windows

omer wrote:

This is what Redmond wants, for monopoly maintenance.


It isn't. It is also the reason why the COLA community approved FAQ
includes Chapter 7 on Wintroll tactics. This was prior to the Combs versus
Microsoft lawsuit documents being made available on the web.

It is an example of:

1) COLA FAQ Chapter 7:

[quote]
7.6 Trespasser Disinformation Tactics

This is a list of the disinformation tactics that the that the
anti-Linux propagandists who post in COLA have been using. All of these
tactics have been used in COLA by the anti-Linux propagandists against
the Linux advocates and the rest of the COLA readership to further the
cause of the anti-Linux propagandists. This list has been worded as
though you are one of them, so that you can better see through their
eyes how they think.

22. Use invalid statistics
Introduce statistics to try to hurt Linux, Linux Advocates, and/or
the Linux community at large. Do not about them be valid or real.
It would be nice if you can find those statistics on-line, but if
you can't find any, invent them out of whole cloth. If they are
discredited, don't let that bother you, keep citing them. If you
see a fellow anti-Linux propagandist using statistics, cite them as
well, no matter their lack of validity.

23. Lie
Lie, lie, lie, lie. If you do it often enough you may create the
appearance of truth.
[/quote]

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/

2) Microsoft Evangelism document:

[quote]
In the Mopping Up phase, Evangelism's goal is to put the final nail into
the competing technology's coffin, and bury it in the burning depths of
the earth. Ideally, use of the competing technology becomes associated
with mental deficiency, as in, "he believes in Santa Claus, the Easter
Bunny, and OS/2."

Just keep rubbing it in, via the press, analysts, newsgroups, whatever.
make the complete failure of the competition's technology part of the
mythology of the computer industry.

We want to place selection pressure on the companies and individuals
that show a genetic weakness for competitor's technologies, to make the
industry increasingly resistant to such unhealthy strains, over time.
[/quote]

PDF page 55
Microsoft Evangelism
Comes vs. Microsoft court case

http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/Comes-3096.pdf


It is not hard to imagine who is that entity who would want to deny
choice, as expressed in this web article at:

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090421111327711

[quote]
ECIS Provides A History of Microsoft's AntiCompetitive Behavior
Tuesday, April 21 2009 @ 06:13 PM EDT

You have to read this paper! Microsoft - A History of Anticompetitive
Behavior and Consumer Harm [PDF],

http://www.ecis.eu/documents/Finalversion_Consumerchoicepaper.pdf

and it's from the European Committee for Interoperable Systems, or ECIS.
ECIS has written it in support of the EU Commission's recent preliminary
findings, on January 15, 2009, that Microsoft violated antitrust law by
tying IE to Windows.

It is, to the best of my knowledge, the first time that the issue of
Microsoft's patent threats against Linux have been framed in a context of
anticompetitive conduct.

It presents a history, albeit not totally comprehensive, of some of the
notable anticompetitive conduct from the past, like against DR-DOS and
Netscape and WordPerfe

TomB pulled this Usenet face plant:


And remember the market share of Sam Adams beer ... 1%.

And yet it is a thriving, vibrant company with a pretty good reputation, a
good line of beers including some great ones, and plenty of money for
television adverti *** t. You can get Sam Adams in just about any
restaurant and pub, such is the benefit of a *healthy* market, which the PC
market is manifestly *not*.

Flatso needs a new schtick.

--
Since I hurt my pendulum
My life is all erratic.
My parrot who was cordial
Is now transmitting static.
The carpet died, a palm collapsed,
The cat keeps doing poo.
The only thing that keeps me sane
Is talking to my shoe.
-- My Shoe