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Ein Standard, ein Microsoft

Post by Daero » Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:52:16


One standard, one Microsoft - how the NHS sold its choice
John Lettice Nov 08 2004

.. Last week the UK's National Health Service announced a landmark
licensing deal with Microsoft, trumpeting savings of 30 million over
the lifespan of the agreement ..

.. In the 'win' column for the NHS and the rest of the healthcare
industry we have the 30 million saving (not much of a saving for some,
as it's on licence fees they weren't paying in the first place) ...

http://www.yqcomputer.com/
 
 
 

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Post by John Bail » Wed, 10 Nov 2004 04:57:12

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> licensing deal with Microsoft, trumpeting savings of 30 million over >> the lifespan of the agreement .. >> >> .. In the 'win' column for the NHS and the rest of the healthcare >> industry we have the 30 million saving (not much of a saving for some,> > as it's on licence fees they weren't paying in the first place) ...> > > > http://www.yqcomputer.com/

Maybe it's time England privatized National Health.

 
 
 

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Post by Lawrence D » Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:38:08

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,



And end up with a system as expensive as the US one?
 
 
 

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Post by srm » Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:30:51


It's pointless to argue. It's simple human nature that when people *** up
badly, they want everyone else to join them in their failure - viz, Iraq.
In this case, it's America's failure to create a decent health system - or,
for that matter, democracy.

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Post by Liam Slide » Thu, 11 Nov 2004 04:29:38


Ours is more expensive...but it tends to be very effective. Did you know,
that while people in the US go to Canada (where they have a similar
Socialized medicine setup to yours) for the cheap *** (which are just
blackmailed out of US companies by the Canadian government in violation of
numerous international laws...Britain does this too BTW) people in Canada
often come to the US to see Doctors. Why? It's usually easier and quicker
to see a Doctor in the US, and the *quality* of care is
excellant...instead of the assembly line medicine like you get elsewhere.
 
 
 

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Post by Liam Slide » Thu, 11 Nov 2004 04:32:28


Hey our health system is as decent as any other! Oh sure, ours isn't
socialistic, the government doesn't own it and controll and mismanage it
like it does in certain other countries. That makes it different, not
inferior. There are plenty of massive problems with socialized
medicine....as there is with *any* form of socialism.
 
 
 

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Post by Abdullah R » Thu, 11 Nov 2004 04:55:21

begin Liam Slider dedi ki:




My sister was doing some amateurish research on cancer and related health
industries, and according to what she told me there are huge monopolies
manipulating the drug industry, much the same way we see in closed source
software industry. There are alternative *** and cure methodologies on
cancer, some of them being scrutinized by many scientific studies and
proved to be effective, and yet they cannot get the permission to become
legal *** (from a central association I forgot the name) because of the
blocking by big players. Thus, big players with sufficient financial and
"influential" muscles confine the people to inferior *** for higher
(possibly way higher) prices, because those are what they happen to have.
This is not how a free market supposed to work. This is hearsay, though.
Perhaps somebody with more detailed knowledge on the issue clarifies.

Other than that, the higher prices of health care in the US might also
have to do with doctors' and hospitals' insurance system. A doctor or
hospital can get really caved if a patient sues them successfully for
erroneous practice. In countries where the health system run by the
government, well, you can sue the government and see how far you can go.
In turn, must admit that health care is very cheap in such systems
compared to US. Sure, you occasionally die due to inadequate care, but at
least it's a cheap death. :)

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Post by John Bail » Thu, 11 Nov 2004 06:26:33

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Duckman had a great episode satirizing the cancer /industry/

No wonder they cancelled it...
 
 
 

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Post by Linu » Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:00:15

Liam Slider poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:


I was at the doctor the other day for my man-exam. Sure felt like an
assembly line to me. Took about two hours, too, most of it sitting around
waiting.

You sure must have some fancy bonesaw there.

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Post by Liam Slide » Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:26:28


Did it feel rushed? A "get you in and get you out as quickly as the hell
possible so they can move on to the next patient" type thing is what I'm
talking about here. And no real care about quality, no real making sure it
gets done right...after all, they are government employees and aren't
being paid by a case by case basis...and their necks aren't on the line if
they *** up.

Not to say we don't have bad doctors....ran into one into the emergency
room not too long ago... Damn Army rent-a-doc. *He* was used to assembly
line medicine, and it was emergency room anyway...so you can guess how
shitty the care was then. Fortunately, I wasn't the patient. It was a
family member. Fortunately again...we were able to get him patched up
properly by someone else.


That's incredibly short compared to a lot of places. I know a guy in the
UK that was waiting, almost literally, all day to see the doctor. And
sometimes that's quick...for many things I hear there's a *huge* waiting
list just to be able to show up to see the doctor that day. Now granted,
it can occasionally be like that here too....but not for relatively simple
things.


There are good ones, there are bad ones....but still...better than
socialism by a long shot.
 
 
 

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Post by Lawrence D » Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:55:57

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,






The US system is different in one important way: proneness to lawsuits.
Thus you get doctors practising "defensive medicine", ordering lots of
extra tests which aren't really necessary, but will look good as part of
a due-diligence defence in a courtroom. That adds to the cost of the
system for everybody.
 
 
 

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Post by JEDIDIA » Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:14:41


In order to successfully get sued for malpractice in the US you
need for another Doctor to be willing to declare that your actions are
reckless, negligent or unecessary. In states with such problems, a very
small minority of Doctors are responsible for most of the damage.

Doctors are paying for not effectively policing their own profession.

Quality of nursing also varies wildly in some places. Doctors can
end up taking the hit for their mistakes too.



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Post by Liam Slide » Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:29:41


Sometimes it's the other way around, and you get nurses who are far better
than the doctors.
 
 
 

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Post by JEDIDIA » Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:46:41


Perhaps if they have 20 or so years of experience. However, an MD
coming out of the gate is going to have 4 more years of education and a
torturous apprenticeship under his/her belt that no RN would.

Either way, nurses don't have to worry about their own malpractice
insurance and are held to a lower standard.

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Post by GreyClou » Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:39:04


Plus, the new doctor when he finishes internship is about 30 to 35 years
behind current medical research.

Right now, the current medical care we receive can be anywhere from 35
to 40 years behind the times. And a lot of doctors don't keep up with
the current medical paradigm. I've noticed this between an old doctor
and a young doctor. I got better care from a young doctor, only because
he got more recent medical education. Some are only in it for the
money. Hopefully, these will be weeded out.

Then there are the psychiatric doctors. Hoooboooyyy!! These idiots
will give a 90 year old woman that has a broken hip and went thru
surgery and give her haldane to prevent movement while in the hospital.
Talk about total incompetence!

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