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Ein Standard, ein Microsoft

Post by GreyClou » Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:40:08



Correction on the haldane ... it is Haldol.
They try and claim it is a very clean and short lived drug. It is but
it is also very damaging.

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Post by JEDIDIA » Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:18:31


I know an 85 year old that swore off all pharmaceuticals. She just
chose to adjust her lifestyle somewhat to accomodate her current age and
state of health. She actually seems to be doing better than her daughter who
is on a whole series of interacting *** .

It can end up being a cascade effect where one "preventitive" drug
ends up causing someone to take 3 or 5 more.

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Post by Jn W. Jann » Fri, 12 Nov 2004 05:49:44


not my experience. i have been using health care in four
countries---germany, france, switzerland, and the u.s. except for emergency
care, the u.s. healthcare system was by far the worst of them all, in terms
of service and efficiency, along with being the most expensive one for me.
and i *do* have decent insurance as opposed to many other people in this
country.

(i should add that most of the treatment i received was, fortunately, pretty
simple stuff---no major surgery, organ transplants and things like that.
though i had more serious cases in my family in germany and britain, and
they received very decent health care at essentially no cost to them.)

i think that all this talk about the superior quality of health care in the
u.s. is mostly a myth whose function, like the rambling about "socialism" in
the context of describing other health care systems, is to keep the
population in fear of what might happen if some day, gosh, some radical
leftist government would spend some of the cash that is currently dropped on
people in the the middle east on financing civilized health care and social
systems. not very surprising, of course, considering that a lot of people
would have a lot to lose if that happened.

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Post by Jn W. Jann » Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:25:07


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i think that is nonsense. the first time i have *ever* been treated by
nurses rather than my family doctor (i.e. the pcp) himself has been in this
country (u.s.). and the reason for me making appointments with one of his
nurses was that it would have taken weeks before i would be able to see him
in person---so instead i went for one of the rns, but even they were usually
not available in the same week. walk-ins literally occasionally took more
than half a day before they (an rn) would treat me, so for the most part
someone with a job can only do this for pretty serious stuff (and then
they'd probably be better off going to an er). at least in my experience,
the accessibility of doctors is much higher in europe than here, at least to
average, health-insured joe and jane.

this will of course be a ymmv type of thing---it will vary with physician,
locality, and, of course, pocket book.

the part of the movie "as good as it gets" that deals with the mother who is
unable to get proper medical assistance, lab tests etc. for her sick son is
generally not properly appreciated by europeans. i remember talking to a few
people in switzerland about this after seeing it, and the general opinion
was that it was a gross exaggeration of the situation here. alas, it is
not---it just represents a society where even basic existential needs are
only satisfied if one can afford them, and that justifies this choice by a
naive reference to a market fiction, and a discrediting of alternatives as
being "socialist."

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Post by GreyClou » Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:14:05


That's what I understand it to be as well. AARP had an article about
pharmaceutical *** . If you start having to go over 5 prescriptions,
the rest are used to offset the side effects of the first 5. The best
thing to do is to titrate off the *** and start over if possible. My
mother is 89 and she won't even touch an aspirin tablet and she is doing
great for her age.

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Post by Lawrence D » Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:18:49

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,








Then why is "defensive medicine" becoming so widespread?