Why is Linux such a threat to the anti-Linux brigade

Why is Linux such a threat to the anti-Linux brigade

Post by Kier » Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:06:53

Why is Linux such a threat?

It's question I ask myself when I read all the vitriol directed at Linux,
its users and advocates, not merely here but elsewhere. What are these
anti-Linux people so frightened of? If Linux really is a poor and useless
as they claim, how can it threaten their cosy little Window/Mac utopia?
Why are so many of them reduced to posting *** diatribes against it,
rather than simply stating all its 'obvious' shortcomings?

It's amazing how much effort they seem willing to put in to denigrate
something that's supposed to have only one percent of the desktop. Yet
they find the notion that anyone might possibly dislike or want to
criticise MS or Windows a positive affront.

now, I'm not one who thinks Windows is entirely without merit, despite
it's many problems. But let's face it, MS has all too often made a rod for
its own back with its bullying behaviour.

Linux, on the other hand, isn't in a position to enforce its will on
anyone. It must compete by merit, and all too often, in the real world,
the good guys don't win, because the big compainies think they should
always get their own way, regardless of whether this actually serves the

So, why are the anti-Linux brigade screaming about how bad Linux is, how
dangerous open source is, how dreadful we Linux advocates are? Is it that
they're afraid they're going to miss something?

MS and Apple *deliberately* create situations where the 'must-have'
products are available only for their OSen, their devices, locking others
out. They tell us this is a good thing, done for our benefit. But not
everyone is fooled. Increasingly, users are demanding the freedom to use
their own devices and products freely, without artificial restrictions.

Linux users have this freedom form the start. They haven't bought the lie.

Anti-Linuxers continue to believe, wrongly, that Linux users can't
possibly use Linux without secretly wanting to return to Windows. They
ignore the fact that the benefits Linux brings outweigh any downsides,
such are there are - and they are getting less and less irksome as time
goes by.

If Linux is so bad, why are we still using it? Why are we willing to put
up with the so-called 'inferior' apps and performance they insit Linux
gives us? If Windows is so overwhelmingly superior, why are we using

Clue: it has nothing to do with hating MS, no matter how many times they
try to tell us that it is. That's just a side-effect. Oh, some may do, but
then a lot of Windows users aren't that happy with MS either.

Linux users have woken up to the fact that the hype about Windows is just
that: hype. Marketing-speak, designed to part the user from his money as
often as possible. Better a solid system with a few rough (and getting
smoother daily) edges that does what *you* want, rather than an overblown
monolith that does what *they* want.


Why is Linux such a threat to the anti-Linux brigade

Post by Roy Schest » Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:45:40

_/ [ Kier ] on Thursday 14 September 2006 14:06 \__

Because, to them, it's seemingly better, it's free, its adoption is rising,
and they haven't got a goddamn clue what to do about it, let alone how to
use it. Using myths, stereotypes (sometimes a 10-year-old experience, for
convenience in arguments) can slow Linux down, but they cannot stop its
adoption. It earns the opposers some time. It's means of procrastinating and
postponing the inevitable arrival of this new wave of technology, which is

Microsoft is another matter altogether. Microsoft is among those who resist
Linux and lie about it. But moreover, it's Microsoft /et al/ that brought
open exchange a code to an end in the first place. It is them who robbed the
world from quicker innovation, more competition, more jobs, and more choice.
I wrote the following half an hour ago < http://tinyurl.com/qgzxb > to
generalise greedy aspirations to the Web, as well as media.

I bet that even sites like YouTube will be fought against, either by charging
more for bandwidth or by making it so restricted that it's repellent. But
apparently, those who lose to free online media also decide to join the
rival, rather than extinguish it, which is most likely impossible. Fox
acquired YouTube yesterday (rumour perhaps). The fight against
comminication, exchange and distribution of code may have been easy, but the
fight over the Web (which also facilitates the spreading of Linux) is a lost

Yes, their skills. And skills have a close binding to employment, unless one
re-learns, which is time-consuming and potentially frustrating. There are
other factors too, e.g. software collections that have a price tag, hardware
that is Windows-centric, etc.

Again: DRM; Web sites that require paid subscription, to which you would say
farewell within seconds...

Only ignorance, which is encouraged through marketing, can get the cattle
down the path to the slaughterhouse in the first place. Maybe a breadcrumb
trail would make a suitable parable.

Windows becomes a nuisance more than something that's craved. When "that
other platform" intentionally makes it inconvenient for rivals to blend, you
shut the door and say "thank you very much". It's actually intersting that
when Microsoft shuts the door _out from Windows_ (i.e. lockins), it
ironically shuts to door _into Windows_. This means that nobody will ever
(be able to) come back.

An existence in a Linux-only world is extremely easy. What makes it more
difficult? Clinging on to a Windows machine. I gave up my Windows 98 laptop
over a year ago. It was more of a cumbersome peril because it would not
interoperate. It was like an island. Good riddance.

For the record, Linux applications (KDE at the least) are far superior to
Windows applications (let's exclude commercial third-party applications from
this equation for the time being). It's easy for a Windows user or one that
only dabbles in Linux to argue otherwise. But thorough experience in both
worlds is what leads to an objective view. That's actually something that
Scoble told me when I asked him about WordPress/Apache/MySQL/PHP/Linux. It
wasn't long afterwards that he quit Microsoft. His experimenttations in a
"Linux world" had him discover another side and the scope of view extended.
With perspective, Windows and Microsoft software seemed as though they were
facing the wall.

Some are i

Why is Linux such a threat to the anti-Linux brigade

Post by Linonu » Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:46:57

After takin' a swig o' grog, Kier belched out this bit o' wisdom:


Lawsuit Against Microsoft Set for Court September 13, 2006 7:40AM

. . .

One of the reasons Iowa continues to fight Microsoft in court is that
Conlin has refused to accept a settlement in which Microsoft would
offer vouchers for computer products.

"I don't think Iowans want coupons," she said. "I think if they were
charged too much money and that's what a jury decides, then they
should get their money back, not a coupon."

. . .

Microsoft initially faced 206 class-action lawsuits across the United
States. The company said 108 were consolidated in a federal antitrust
case and 96 remained in state courts.

Most were dismissed or settled for vouchers.

Boot your Windows operating system in a virtual machine on Linux
It's safer.
-- http://www.yqcomputer.com/

Why is Linux such a threat to the anti-Linux brigade

Post by Roy Schest » Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:50:13

__/ [ Linonut ] on Thursday 14 September 2006 14:46 \__

What I found most intersting about this courtcase is that, for the first time
as far as I know, Microsoft is being sued for producing shoddy software that
exposes data and raises maintenance costs..

,----[ Quote ]
| The case claims Microsoft violated Iowa's antitrust laws and harmed
| customers by illegally overcharging for its software, by denying class
| members free choice in software products and the benefits of software
| innovation, and by making computers increasingly susceptible to
| security breaches.


I suppose the EULA (waiver) will defend Microsoft on that account. You could
be sold a self-exploding car and never receive compentation when it busts,
unlike what it 'says on the tin'.


Why is Linux such a threat to the anti-Linux brigade

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Why is Linux such a threat to the anti-Linux brigade

Post by JDS » Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:12:34

I see the anti linux groups divided into 3 general types[1]:

Trolls don't really care if Linux is good or bad or suxky or Windows is
good or MacOS is sucky or anything like that. They just want to make the
most outrageous, slanderous, ridiculous, or otherwise extreme
(or subtle, even) statements THAT ELICIT A LOT OF RESPONSES. That's it.
Eliciting responses is the only raisin-duh-etruh for the troll. He/She/It
does not really care about the topic at hand.

Corporate types that have a lot to lose.
MS And Apple do stand to lose a lot if some free, cool, safe, flexible,
usable, powerful upstart can come in and swipe their user base. So you
see anti-linux sentiments from those types. And I include corporate shills
in this group, like the Yankee Group types.

Religious fanatics (OS-choice-as-religion, not any "real" religion, duh!)
Honestly can't see how Windows can garner any religious fanatics, but they
seem to be there. Apple certainly has them. Oh, and all the free OSes do
-- certainly Linux does! But that sort of individual will lob anti-OS
remarks at any OS that is not their own.


[1] Certainly this is not the be-all-end-all list of general types.

Why is Linux such a threat to the anti-Linux brigade

Post by GreyClou » Sat, 16 Sep 2006 03:20:46

Reminds me of that AFLAC commercial... "if you get hurt and miss work,
it won't hurt to miss work. And they pay you cash too, which is just as
good as money".

Where are we going?
And why am I in this handbasket?

Why is Linux such a threat to the anti-Linux brigade

Post by birr » Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:37:40

Then all 911 *** and other anti Bush videos will be removed ASAP :-)


Why is Linux such a threat to the anti-Linux brigade

Post by Roy Schest » Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:27:19

__/ [ birre ] on Monday 18 September 2006 11:37 \__

*LOL* Seen the following yesterday.


Among others...

A publisher in New York has sent me a free copy (prerelease) of the book
Stupid Fill-the-blanks for Smart Bush Haters. I never asked for it, but they
probably seek to create a buzz. I received it half an hour ago.

It seems like YouTube is now attracting attention because it's being sued
from a couple of directions for permitting piracy (go figure how to
supervise so much content). And Universal Studios (IIRC) offered YouTube a
lot of music videos for free (during the weekend). I am yet to figure out
why LonelyGirl15 /still/ gets so many pageviews, despite the recent leak.
Nice-looking woman. But those three guys who run the show are like imbecile

Best wishes,


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Why is Linux such a threat to the anti-Linux brigade

Post by Hadron Qua » Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:35:55

Roy Schestowitz < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > writes:

Son of Rexx strikes again. People are sending him free stuff to "create
a buzz". And still the COLA gang don't get it.

"Whip me. Beat me. Make me maintain AIX."
(By Stephan Zielinski)

Why is Linux such a threat to the anti-Linux brigade

Post by flatfish++ » Wed, 20 Sep 2006 01:47:11

As amazing as it sounds, the REAL Linux advocates in
comp.os.linux.advocacy STILL haven't figure out Roy's motives here.

I'd suggest a little poking around in some of the other places that Roy
posts and it will all start to become obvious.

Why is Linux such a threat to the anti-Linux brigade

Post by Linonu » Wed, 20 Sep 2006 03:05:41

After takin' a swig o' grog, flatfish+++ belched out this bit o' wisdom:

I simply don't give a shit. He can post what he wants. If it looks
interesting, I may read it. I may even respond. I don't care if he
gets a nickel a hit.

Windows XP is like a box of chocolates --
you never know when the steel bolts are going to spring out and
plunge straight through both cheeks.

Why is Linux such a threat to the anti-Linux brigade

Post by flatfish++ » Wed, 20 Sep 2006 03:33:36

Neither do I.
I'm just pointing it out.
I think the entire thing is hysterical.
Much like the pied piper.