[News] [Linux] Mandriva Linux 2008 a "New Start" with a Lot of Changes

[News] [Linux] Mandriva Linux 2008 a "New Start" with a Lot of Changes

Post by BearItAl » Thu, 21 Jun 2007 01:01:45



Really? You try and find the free one on mandriva's web site.

SLES isn't free, but the link to openSuse is there on the same page for all
to see. Yes I know where the Mandriva one is, your site obviously isn't
keen on letting new users know it is there.

Mandriva's period of demise probably came for a number of reasons.

One was that if you did buy a product, then wrote to grumble that you had a
bad DVD or something, Mandriva's reply would direct you to the place where
you could buy it again.

Another was the number of Mandriva users who got the L12L12L12...on first
boot (boot loader troubles on some drives). But struggled to get any help
from Mandriva, the number of 'Tried to contact support...' posts we used to
get.

Then another is the breakdown of distros. it is better now, but it was
actually quite hard to decide which of the boxes you should get. Yes, I
know in the end Linux is Linux and it doesn't matter because you can set
them all up the same. But for many a home user the fact that advanced tools
were pretty much ready setup for them on Mandriva was a major attraction.

Even now the powerpack version is just short for home users wanting ready
done server services, so they have to go for the powerpack+, a difference
of 120Euro. Why can't home users have a proper server, Mandriva was one of
the first with the 'easy out the box servers', why not keep that
reputation. openSuse is doing that job still, it was the main alternative
to Mandriva at about version7 and 8, why did you stop fighting?

I've been encouraging families to have Linux servers,
. don't lose that work ever again, back it up to the family server.
. don't tie a printer to a client, let the server do the work.
. collect your emails from your local server,
. and many more (as they say)


Mandriva was my favourite distro for a long time, particularly for home but
I had servers and desktops scattered around me here and other work places
for years alongside the Redhats.

I wish I could still reccommend Mandriva, even if just from an 'Old boy's
loyalty' point of view. Is it still a good product, is the free version a
full product? You are right, these are questions people will ask, we hang
been caught out before.

But the news on the main site I use is that Mandriva has come good again,
great things are expected of the 2008 version apparently because the free
download version is so good. It will be nice to see Mandriva heading for
the top 5 again.
 
 
 

[News] [Linux] Mandriva Linux 2008 a "New Start" with a Lot of Changes

Post by [H]ome » Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:48:36

Verily I say unto thee, that BearItAll spake thusly:


From the front page:

Top line, second link from the right - "downloads".
First heading - "One 2007 Spring", link - "Download Mandriva One".
Whole page of mirrors, I chose:
http://www.yqcomputer.com/
Various choices available between i586, x86_64, DVD, Gnome or KDE CD.


I've been a loyal Red Hatter for years, but if I had to switch, I'd
choose Mandriva. Many people swear by their Powerpacks, although as you
say, sometimes their service can be a bit patchy. Their current
"Mandriva One" offering is very, very slick indeed, although I still
have some reservations about their repo management, which I found quite
confusing (ref: trying to get the right kernel source to build VMWare
modules).

Then again, I've been itching to go the Debian route for a long time
too, for both technical and political reasons. The two things which have
held me back are inertia and my unfamiliarity with Deb package building,
which I would want to switch to from RPM maintenance.

What I might do is buy a Dell Ubuntu box (if and when they ever start
selling them in the UK), then pick up my dpkg skills on that first, then
move over to Debian main. I'd prefer a "real" Debian box to a
virtualised client - purely for logistical reasons (I'm rapidly running
out of drive space).

One thing you can absolutely guarantee about Debian, is that they'll
never make a pact with the Beast like Novell, Xandros or Linspire. That
fact alone is enough to make me want to switch to Debian - I'd like that
long-term security. With the Ubuntu's, Mandriva's, and Red Hat's of this
world, you can never be 100% sure, due to their financial dependence
(those who need money, can be corrupted with money).

--
K.
http://www.yqcomputer.com/

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| is true is that once you cross subsistence ... additional increases
| in wealth have virtually no effect on well-being ... This is worth
| knowing in case you have a choice between "X" and making more
| money, almost certainly "X" is what you should choose."
| - Barry Schwartz
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[News] [Linux] Mandriva Linux 2008 a "New Start" with a Lot of Changes

Post by Roy Schest » Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:05:10

____/ BearItAll on Tuesday 19 June 2007 17:01 : \____


I think PCLOS stole their show with their Mandrake derivative. At least Gael
would be proud. Ulteo doesn't receive quite as much publicity as PCLOS.

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[News] [Linux] Mandriva Linux 2008 a "New Start" with a Lot of Changes

Post by BearItAl » Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:34:43


Can I make a suggestion, for a spare drive or machine rather than a
replacement for your current machine.

The Debian online install is very quick if you take the base product, one
time I did this I was too greedy with packages and it took hours to come
onboard. But I stopped that and did it again with just the base it was very
quick. Then just apt-gett'ed as and when I wanted bits-n-bobs.

This way also gives you a very slick machine. Great for new users to learn
on, but for you it will give you a nice slick machine because you already
know what packages you want so no need for all the extra stuffing.
 
 
 

[News] [Linux] Mandriva Linux 2008 a "New Start" with a Lot of Changes

Post by [H]ome » Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:18:44

Verily I say unto thee, that BearItAll spake thusly:


Oh sure, that my MO exactly. I prefer minimal installs, then build (as
necessary) from there. I have used the net-install ISO before - very
quick and easy.

I'll still get the new machine though, it's an organisational thang.

--
K.
http://www.yqcomputer.com/

.----
| "People are not happy in stinking hellholes of abject poverty, what
| is true is that once you cross subsistence ... additional increases
| in wealth have virtually no effect on well-being ... This is worth
| knowing in case you have a choice between "X" and making more
| money, almost certainly "X" is what you should choose."
| - Barry Schwartz
`----

Fedora release 7 (Moonshine) on sky, running kernel 2.6.21-1.3194.fc7
09:13:31 up 14 days, 20:59, 4 users, load average: 0.22, 0.43, 0.43
 
 
 

[News] [Linux] Mandriva Linux 2008 a "New Start" with a Lot of Changes

Post by Roy Schest » Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:32:33

____/ [H]omer on Wednesday 20 June 2007 09:18 : \____


I thought the same thing (about minimal installs) when I set up Ubuntu. I
couldn't find a GUI-less route (trust me, I tried). A CLI installer was the
only option when I installed Ubuntu 4.10 at work (maybe even 5.06 which I
tried at home).

That said, I regretted this inclination when I realised that I could play games
while Ubuntu gets installed. Still, there are many packages here that I don't
need, including GNOME. It's not worth/safe removing them because some of
the 'management' tools depend of that 'appendage' (not necessarily "depend" in
the technical sense).

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