What Linux distro to use for old Intel machine, that fits on CDs?

What Linux distro to use for old Intel machine, that fits on CDs?

Post by RonB » Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:53:22



Last time this question was asked I pointed to Vector Linux. I have used
Vector Linux -- not on a machine as old as yours, but one close to it.
Vector Linux Standard defaults to the Xface desktop -- a nicely implemented
version of it -- so it is not weighted down by KDE or Gnome. You can buy a
CD if you want for $25-27.

I don't use Anti-Virus or Anti-Malware software on my Linux computer. I
originally installed AVG but, since it found nothing, I uninstalled it
considering it a waste of time and space.

Vector Linux's website below:

http://www.yqcomputer.com/

The Standard 5.9 edition requires 128 Meg of RAM and... ah... 2.6 Gigs.

So I guess you would have to go with the Light Edition, which requires 64
Meg of RAM and a 2 Gig hard drive.

(Hell, send me an email and I'll dig up a "huge" 6 Gig hard drive and send
it.)

--
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
 
 
 

What Linux distro to use for old Intel machine, that fits on CDs?

Post by Benjamin G » Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:26:01

* raylopez99:

Maybe then this time you should take the time and at least check what
you really have? "...about 200 MHz clock, with about 500 MB RAM (or
maybe it's 225.." and "...It has a late 90s but
popular video card, forget the brand...." is worth nothing. There is no
PentiumII 200MHz, so either it is a Pentium 200 or a PentiumII with
higher clock speed. If it's a Pentium then you won't have much fun
running Linux on it, too (except maybe for use as a router or file
server). Same about memory (exact size and type), the mainboard and also
the gfx card. You also want to check the gfx card because it won't give
you much fun if it's not supported by Linux.

If you expect people to help you the least thing you can do is to
provide accurate details.

Benjamin

 
 
 

What Linux distro to use for old Intel machine, that fits on CDs?

Post by Andrew Hal » Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:54:45


Here we go....
over a dozen posts all with valid straight answers...

Warning to non-COLA members...
Lopez is a waste of space. An utter waste of skin.
He's always pulling this trick, asking for help on a simple install and then
utterly ignoring anyone who offers advice and complaining that no-one helped
or no-one would give him a straight answer.

He does it every few months.
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What Linux distro to use for old Intel machine, that fits on CDs?

Post by Andrew Hal » Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:57:29


Yeah, like THAT'LL ever happen...
I think he makes the specs up as he goes along, sometimes.
(to be fair to linux though, I doubt there's a video card THAT old that'll
cause problems)
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What Linux distro to use for old Intel machine, that fits on CDs?

Post by markhoble » Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:31:17


It runs Microsoft Windows 2000, so it must be a Pentium II


I use Pentium 120s here, and they work fine. It depends really on what
you use them for, I suppose.


Yeah, this is important. You will not be able to use "Windows
Acceleration" without a supported card, and you will be limited to using
800x600 SVGA mode. However many popular cards are supported, but you
could really do with finding out what type of card is installed.

If it runs Microsoft Windows 2000, you may be able to look at the system
properties to find this.

I use Debian on my computers, but I have upgraded all of my hard drives
to at least 20Gb in size. (Many modern IDE drives have a capacity
limiter jumper, restricting their capacity to 32Gb, making them useable
in older machines.)

If you want to stick with a small 2Gb drive, I would suggest Puppy
Linux.

Regards,

Mark.

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What Linux distro to use for old Intel machine, that fits on CDs?

Post by SomeBlok » Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:02:30


Don't waste your time Ron. Like you I also recommended Vector and was
completely ignored. Lopez is a waste of space, a complete idiot who brags
about how much his Microsoft shares are worth. Like we care!
 
 
 

What Linux distro to use for old Intel machine, that fits on CDs?

Post by Bubba » Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:32:45


Do not waste your time speculating. Belarcs advisor runs on any WIndows
platform down to Win98. Simply ask him to save the4 output and post it.
 
 
 

What Linux distro to use for old Intel machine, that fits on CDs?

Post by Robert Hel » Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:38:12

t Sat, 28 Jun 2008 01:24:31 -0700 (PDT) raylopez99 < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote:


Visit www.cheapbytes.com.

You can get CentOS 4.<mumble> on CDs. This should work just fine.


On that sort of machine, you *won't* want to use a heavyweight
GUI/Desktop -- you don't want either Gnome nor KDE. Go for a
lightweight setup: fvwm for example. This will probably mean you won't
get all of the pointy-clicky goodies you might be used to.

I use a *very* plain X11 setup: just fvwm in MVM mode. One desktop, no
start menu, no desktop icons at all: I use FVWM's 'IconBox' and a home
built 'session manager' / menu launcher program written in Tcl/Tk. I
start most applications from a shell xterm window. This is very
lightweight and works well on older / low-powered (slower, low amount
of RAM) hardware. I refuse to use new, bleeding edge hardware -- I'd
rather just 'rescue' perfectly good boxes from dumpster land than
spend big bucks for 'excess' processor -- I don't *need* a dual 64-bit
processor *desktop* with 4gig of RAM -- about as dumb as using a monster
truck with 5' tall tires to drive 1 mile to buy a quart of milk on a dry
paved road on a warm sunny day.


I use CentOS 4.6 on my systems right now. I have an old Toshiba laptop
(166mhz Pentium I, 144meg of RAM) that has WBL 3.0 on it, but I did run
CentOS 4.3 on it at one point (while trying to get wireless cards to
work) -- I don't at this point since the RHEL 2.6 kernel has no default
support for ISA-flavor sound cards. I presently run CentOS 4.6 on a
number of older machines, including:

An old Dell laptop: Insperion 4000: 700mhz PII, 256meg of RAM.

My desktop: a 500mhz PII with 384Meg of RAM.

It was running on my older desktop: a 500mhz K6 with 256meg of RAM
until its MB died -- I transplanted most of the rest of the old system
to the newer box (disks, SCSI disk controller, DVD-ROM, and RAM).

I have it on a 400mhz K6 with 256meg of RAM, but I don't use this
latter box much -- I think its hard drive is dieing.

CentOS (www.centos.org) is a GPL 'clone' of RHEL. CentOS 4 is a fairly
conservative distro. It won't have bleeding edge stuff, but works well
and reliably on most older hardware. While it does include 586
kernels, it does not include ISA support out-of-the-box -- this should
not be a problem for you, since you seem to have a 686 (PII) and
probably don't have any ISA cards, unless your MB's sound is a 'legacy'
sound controller, like the one on my desktop's motherboard -- I don't
care if the sound on my desktop is non-functional -- the sound on my
laptop works and that is fine by me. Oh the win-modem built into the
laptop is also non-functional (again I don't care -- the *external*
RS232 hardware modem on my desktop works, as does the built-in Ethernet
on the laptop).




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What Linux distro to use for old Intel machine, that fits on CDs?

Post by ray » Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:35:44


I would probably try Elive first - I installed it on a P166 with 64mb RAM
last year and it was 'decent'. Other options would include Damn Small and
Vector.
 
 
 

What Linux distro to use for old Intel machine, that fits on CDs?

Post by Douglas Ma » Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:29:37


<snip>
I recently bought a Dell Dimension 4100, built circa 2001. I got it from
the local university surplus property for $20. It came outfitted as
follows:

CPU: Pentium 3, 933 MHz
Memory: 512MB
Network: 3Com 10/100
Sound: Ensoniq
Optical: CD-RW (12x)
HD: none

I added a 500G SATA drive and controller, and now it has new life. It
can do all of the jobs you outlined without a hitch. I use it as secondary
workstation all of the time. Here are some screenshots running Dropline
Gnome on Slackware 12.0:

http://www.yqcomputer.com/ ~ddmayne2/images/ss.2008-06-20.01.png
http://www.yqcomputer.com/ ~ddmayne2/images/ss.2008-06-20.01.png

My advice is to get a computer with similar specs if you intend to run
Open Office, Mozilla, etc. without running into a lot of frustration. As
an academic exercise, the absolute minimum that I would consider using as
desktop (in 2008) is

CPU: Pentium 3, 500MHz
Memory: 256M

Memory is critical. The more the better.

BTW, I needed to add a disk to the system above because the university
removes all disks before reselling their systems. In your case, you
probably will need to add a disk, also. That is because of the fact that
2G is tight for installing any major GNU/Linux distribution. Maybe, you
should consider throwing a few bucks at a SATA PCI disk controller ($25)
and 500G SATA HD ($100). That could be a good investment because if you
decide to upgrade to a totally new system later on you already have the
disk. On the other hand, a lot of vendors have prebuilt complete systems
for about $300- and they will definitely run circles around these
"junk" systems. You'll have to decide if it is worth it because at some
point, it becomes a case of throwing good money after bad.

--
Douglas Mayne
 
 
 

What Linux distro to use for old Intel machine, that fits on CDs?

Post by General Sc » Mon, 30 Jun 2008 02:55:37

n Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:29:37 -0600, Douglas Mayne wrote:


I disagree about throwing any money at an antique machine. A new VIA based
machine is $189 so you should always keep that in mind when considering
putting any money into a machine that is less than 1GHz.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883118005

As for the original question, I wouldn't bother doing anything with a
200MHz box except to use it as a backup server or a firewall. A 500MHz
processor is the lowest spec processor that I would consider for desktop
use.
 
 
 

What Linux distro to use for old Intel machine, that fits on CDs?

Post by Robert Ric » Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:25:19


The Pentium II and Pentium III processors were proliferation
designs based on the Pentium Pro. (I worked on schematic
formal verification as part of the design team of the
P. Pro. and P. IV.)

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What Linux distro to use for old Intel machine, that fits on CDs?

Post by Nigel Felt » Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:51:00


One example that springs to mind as a tricky card that old is the ISA and
VLBUS range of Cirrus Logic cards, had to try several settings before
getting it working without display corruption last time I tried to use one
of these cards - but then that was about 9 years ago on Mandrake 7.0 so
maybe even these work now.

Quite why he insists on finding a distro for a machine of unknown spec this
old is still a real mystery when newer and faster hardware is being thrown
away (I know of companies near me who are now trashing 2ghz P4's as
obsolete - unfortunately their company policies demand they get sent to
outside recycling companies due to current EU disposal laws).

Lets face it even if someone on here offered him a free PIII machine with
Linux pre-installed he'd still insist that this was not good enough and we
have to supply a source for a distro available retail that supports his
unknown spec machine.
 
 
 

What Linux distro to use for old Intel machine, that fits on CDs?

Post by raylopez9 » Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:03:25


So your argument then is for maintaining the status quo--running
Windows 2000. Thanks for your vote.

Anybody else?

RL
 
 
 

What Linux distro to use for old Intel machine, that fits on CDs?

Post by raylopez9 » Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:05:21

On Jun 28, 3:31m, XXXX@XXXXX.COM (Mark



Thank you Mark for the Puppy Linux vote, though I take it you're
relying on hearsay and have never tried it. What word processor and
what web browser do you recommend for such a weak system?

RL