DVD reader incompatibility: NTSC vs. PAL: ripping movies under Linux

DVD reader incompatibility: NTSC vs. PAL: ripping movies under Linux

Post by John Goch » Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:36:40



Hello,

I have purchased a PlayStation3 on which I am running
Yellow Dog Linux 6.2. The problem I am experiencing is
that I purchased it from the US from Terrasoft Solutions
now Fixstars and had it shipped to the UK simply
because I could not find a reseller in the UK that
sold PS3s with Linux preinstalled.

As a result of this the DVD player won't play UK movies
which follow the PAL standard. It will only play US movies
which follow the NTSC standard. Unfortunately I never
worried about this thinking that PAL vs. NTSC was
simply a specification for the TV itself and not for
the actual format of the video data on DVD.

So now to overcome this glitch what I want to do is
rip the video from the DVD using Linux using my
laptop which was purchased in the UK and hence
I would imagine can read UK video DVDs.

Then I want to transfer the ripped video (the format
of which I am not sure but I think would be .mp4
but correct me if I'm wrong) to my PlayStation3
since it is connected to a Full HD television
which the PS3 Linux system outputs its
video signal to.

And then, obviously I want to play
the .mp4 or video in whatever video file format
under Linux and output it to my television from
my Linux playstation3. Since it does not have
to play the disk from the US NTSC DVD player
but can simply play it from a file, I should have
then overcome the problem of the DVD player
hardware incompatibility and still be able to
see the video played from my PS3 to my
Full HD TV.

Thank you for your assistance on what tool
to use to rip the DVD video under Linux and
what tool to use to then play it under Linux.

Thanks,

John Goche

(P.S. as a curiosity are there any DVD
players out there that can play both
NTSC DVDs as distributed in the US
as well as PAL DVDs as distributed in
the UK? It seems so unreal to me that
there would be a hardware rather than
a software problem being the culprit of
this incompatibility.)

Thanks again,

John Goche
 
 
 

DVD reader incompatibility: NTSC vs. PAL: ripping movies under Linux

Post by root » Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:23:32


You have to run either setregion or regionset on the
optical drive.

 
 
 

DVD reader incompatibility: NTSC vs. PAL: ripping movies under Linux

Post by Roger Blak » Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:15:21


Many optical drives also have hacked firmware available that
makes them region-free.

--
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DVD reader incompatibility: NTSC vs. PAL: ripping movies under Linux

Post by John Goch » Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:59:41


Well, I have tried under both Linux and Windows Vista
Home Premium and neither of these seem to have a
command named setregion or regionset as in both
cases located does not locate such executables.

I am running Yellow Dog Linux 6.2 on a PlayStation3
and AFAIK such distribution is based on Fedora Linux.
Do you know what RPMs I need to get the above
mentioned command(s).


Where would I go to get such hacked firmware
that would allow me to read both NTSC and PAL
DVD and Blu-Ray videos?

Also, are there any other standards used in other
countries for videos on DVDs other than NTSC (USA)
and PAL (Europe)? When you say region-free do
you mean that there are also regions that do not
abide by neither of these two standards?

Well, thank you for your feedback,

John Goche
 
 
 

DVD reader incompatibility: NTSC vs. PAL: ripping movies under Linux

Post by Ross Malon » Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:49:25

ohn Goche wrote:

I have done some work on this DVD ripping business under Linux on a
standard Intel box. There are a number of solutions that have been
suggested and can be found via Googling. It is not a one step process.
After a large amount of trial and error, the best combination is
composed from the following tools:
mplayer to view the DVD movie
title_info to list the 'file' structure on the DVD
transcode to do the actual ripping to hard disk
dvdauthor to create a standard DVD packaging
genisoimage to create the DVD structure for copying to a DVD
wodim to write a DVD onto a DVD blank

Each is a open source package that can be downloaded. The title_info is
part of the libdvdread package and is very useful in getting an overall
view of the titles and chapters that are on the DVD. You might prefer
to use ffmpeg in place of transcode, but my experience is that transcode
is the better option. There is a little mastery, and thus work,
required to find the combination of cammand line arguments to use with
each of these programs.

What I was trying to do was to rip sound track music themes from my
favourate movies on DVD and prepare a single DVD containing them all.
That require ripping from frames that went across titles and chapters in
some instances. This is a lot more complex than changing from NTSC to
PAL. Some of the DVDs that I used were NTSC and others PAL. mplayer
appears not to care what TV format the DVD is in. So the first step is
to get mplayer going. Then rip to the hard disk using transcode into
either the ffmpeg or xvid formats which are specified by command line
arguments. A lot of modern DVD players will play divx format DVD, which
is the same as xvid. But if you want a standard DVD format, then use
dvdauthor in combination with video object (vob) files created using
transcode operating of the ffmpeg files that you ripped from the
original DVD.

I hope that this is of some help. There is a lot of detail that needs
to be hang on the above overview.

Ross Maloney
 
 
 

DVD reader incompatibility: NTSC vs. PAL: ripping movies under Linux

Post by felmo » Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:52:46


I may not understand what is going on here but if one wants to get video
files off a dvd to transcode or even just to view, I thought a simpler
procedure works:

a) mount the dvd;

b) copy the .vob files from under the directory video_ts to your hard-
drive;

c) you can cat them together, for instance, 'cat 1.vob 2.vob >> vob-
collection.mpg';

d) vob files are just mpegs so take them single or collated and work on
them, for instance, extract frames, get the audio, whatever; I like
avidemux and audacity for some of this work;

e) if you want to make another dvd, tools like devede or tovid are good.

but maybe you are doing something else that I didn't catch.

Felmon
 
 
 

DVD reader incompatibility: NTSC vs. PAL: ripping movies under Linux

Post by Ross Malon » Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:27:29


Interesting approach, but it has not worked for me. It appears that a
DVD is a package, not the sum of its parts. Using cat in such
circumstances will not work result in a usable DVD. If John is only
interested in looking at the movie, or whatever, on the DVD, then
mplayer is possibly the straight forward approach. But if ripping is
necessary, then that is not a simple process. The mindset is a lot
different in Linux than the Window/Mac worlds, for a measure of
understanding is required.

Ross
 
 
 

DVD reader incompatibility: NTSC vs. PAL: ripping movies under Linux

Post by markhoble » Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:08:03


When you buy as DVD drive, it normally has no region set and will remain
that way until a region is set via software. So, if you use the drive
only on Linux, it will remain region free. However, if you run Mac OSX
or Microshit Windblows, these will set the region for you when the drive
is first used.

If the region has been set on the drive, you will need to reflash it to
region 2, to enable it to accept European regionalized DVDs.

Mark.

--
Mark Hobley
Linux User: #370818 http://www.yqcomputer.com/
 
 
 

DVD reader incompatibility: NTSC vs. PAL: ripping movies under Linux

Post by felmo » Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:47:55


yes, this is absolutely true but I didn't interpret the OP as wanting to
author a dvd; instead I thought he wanted to transcode some of the stuff
from the original dvd into some format that can be played on his
playstation. but maybe I have lost track of the thread?



well, the ripping seems easy but authoring a dvd is complex, whether in
Linux or Windows but I am probably mistaken in my belief the OP wasn't
engaged in authoring a dvd.

if I'm right, then it is simpler to copy the vobs and convert them to the
desired format.

Felmon
 
 
 

DVD reader incompatibility: NTSC vs. PAL: ripping movies under Linux

Post by Vilmos Sot » Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:30:42

Ross Maloney < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > writes:


Just use dvdbackup (with the -M) switch to rip a dvd. Let's say you rip it
to /path/to/rip/. (cd /path/to/rip; dvdbacup -M)
You can view the ripped stuff with "mplayer -dvd-device /path/to/rip/ dvd://1".
To view the structure, just use "lsdvd /path/to/rip". or dvdbackup.
To transcode, you can also use mencoder which is part of mplayer.
To burn the ripped stuff, just do this:
growisofs -dvd-video -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd /path/to/rip

No need for dvdauthor (unless you modify it) or wodim.

Vilmos