Seeking Data Archiving (BACKUP) Suggestions (was: VAX/VMSsite) site)site) site)site) site)site)

Seeking Data Archiving (BACKUP) Suggestions (was: VAX/VMSsite) site)site) site)site) site)site)

Post by Barry.Trea » Sat, 19 Aug 2006 00:29:51


-----Original Message-----
From: JF Mezei [mailto: XXXX@XXXXX.COM ]
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 12:54 AM
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Subject: Re: Seeking Data Archiving (BACKUP) Suggestions (was: Re:
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Surely it is cheaper to find a backup solution for this chap than to
suggest he change all his hardware and upgrade his software at what may
be great costs to him. How much would HP charge for software upgrades
from VMS 5.5 to 7.3 for multiple machines ?

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His apps, or layered products, may not support newer versions of VMS
without also being upgraded which could be a cost and/or technological
constraint.

As for alternate tape drives, there are 16-bit SCSI daughter-boards
(KZCCA's) that existed for the 4000 series of VAX systems. I still have
one installed my in decommissioned 4000/100 which did run 5.5-2 (not h4)
when first installed. It isn't perfect since the console can't see the
drive which is a problem for standalone backup tape boots, but once VMS
is up and the driver is loaded, VMS can manipulate it just fine and I
connected multiple SCSI style tape drives (ie. DAT, DLT and VXA) to this
adapter without issues.

My only reason for 'chiming in' is that I had to run on a frayed
shoe-string budget for years, so I can appreciate where this individual
might be coming from and I replaced my 4000/100 with CHARON-VAX simply
because the HW maintenance was poor and became too costly,
self-maintenance then became a problem because of difficulties with
sourcing spares, and overall system dependability was starting to suffer
-- not to mention our system was simply our of performance gas...

Best regards,

Barry Treahy
 
 
 

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From: Hoff Hoffman [mailto: XXXX@XXXXX.COM ]
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 2:06 PM
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models
especially

Yes, an investigation might well find it is cheaper to migrate to
Linux, Windows, OS X Tiger, or some other platform. Or it might not,
and might well find that migrating to a similar platform (and/or a newer

version) is the cheapest approach available. Facts not in evidence.
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Migrate was a poor use of words because VMS and the apps running on VMS
over VAX do not require migration to run on CHARON-VAX unlike efforts to
'migrate' the apps to Alpha or Itanic running VMS.

The other point that has been ignored was cost containment. If you move
to newer class machines (ie Alpha/Itanic), it'll most likely cost you
much more in software licensing/re-licensing than if you just stay on
the exact same sized machine (4000/100 class machine) that the software
was originally licensed for...

HP charges $1k to move VMS and $1k to move the layered products and
depending on how your 3rd party layered products license is written, it
may cost you nothing since it's the same workgroup class system...

Barry Treahy

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