Re[2]: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long live DEC

Re[2]: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long live DEC

Post by Valentin L » Tue, 05 Sep 2006 00:37:06



If it's true then it didn't help much. I worked on the VAX hardware
clone with the VMS clone (4.?) with the RDB and DECForms and many
other software pieces I can't recall. And I can't remeber I ever
bothered with the PAKs there.

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Re[2]: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long live DEC

Post by Neil Riec » Tue, 05 Sep 2006 03:01:56


I don't remember using the $LIC command on VMS 4.x but seem to remember it
appearing during VMS 5.x. Maybe someone else in this newsgroup can remember
the exact release.

As for cloning VAXs, people at DEC should consider this the greatest form of
flattery.

Neil Rieck
Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,
Ontario, Canada.
http://www.yqcomputer.com/

 
 
 

Re[2]: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long live DEC

Post by helbi » Tue, 05 Sep 2006 04:22:27

> As for cloning VAXs, people at DEC should consider this the greatest form of

I'm sure they did:

http://www.yqcomputer.com/
 
 
 

Re[2]: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long live DEC

Post by pechte » Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:12:10

In article <44fb1727$0$24173$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,






We did...

At least the DEC guys at uVax chip design did.

http://www.yqcomputer.com/
following:

" We stumbled across this message while examining the scribe lane on a
Digital CVAX microprocessor used in the MicroVAX 3000 and 6200 series
computers. Chip designer Bob Supnik tells us that the text is Cyrillic
using Russian words for the phrase:
"VAX - when you care enough to steal the very best "

Apparently this quotation was gleaned from a sign on a purloined VAX 780
used by the Soviet military and was intended to send a special message
to Russian chip designers determined to reverse engineer Digital's
designs."


Bill

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"When I think back on all the *** I learned in Vax school
It's a wonder I fixed anything at all." (to the tune of Kodachrome)
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Re[2]: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long live DEC

Post by bill » Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:52:48

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,
XXXX@XXXXX.COM (William Pechter) writes:





I can't imagine why they would waste all that time and effort.
Even during the peak of the cold war years the USSR was having
no problem getting real VAXen shipped behind the Iron Curtain.
And, to add insult to injury, while our allies in Europe were
not allowed to have real Unix (the one with DES in the encryption
algorithm) the Russians had no problem buying it inside the US
through front companies and then carrying it home in a diplomatic
pouch!! (This came out after the fall of the Iron Curtain!)

bill

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XXXX@XXXXX.COM | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
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Re[2]: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long live DEC

Post by LakeGato » Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:32:55

If the USSR was not very interested in obtaining the VAX designs then
they did a great job of pretending they did. I was the system manager
for the Digital booth at Telecom '83 in Geneva. The Russians had a
crew of people who visited the booth almost every day taking still and
video photos of the VAX and PRO-350 systems in the booth. They
requested that we open the cabinets and remove boards for viewing so
they could photograph them which we politely declined to do.

Obviously, images of the boards and board layout is far from allowing
one to replicate the complete system but the USSR spent many person
hours trying to get any design information they could at this trade
show. Maybe all they wanted was to maintain the systems they obtained
via other sources but their focus seemed deeper.

It may have been a waste of their time but they did expend a lot of
effort at this one event.