Qlogic ISP12160 Ultra160, QLA12160/66 dual ultra wide SCSI PCI controller

Qlogic ISP12160 Ultra160, QLA12160/66 dual ultra wide SCSI PCI controller

Post by helbi » Wed, 13 Jul 2005 04:00:16


I managed to get an ALPHAserver 1200. Unfortunately, it has just the
short-bus SCSI controller for the CD and one internal device. The
BA35x-style shelf in the front is apparently split-bus, so I suppose I
could install a couple of PCI-card SCSI controllers, each one allowing
me to use part of the front shelf and whatever I hook up at the back
(total of 15 devices per bus, I assume).

I could get a Qlogic (QLA12160/66) dual ultra wide SCSI PCI controller.

A search turned up this:

http://www.yqcomputer.com/ %2212160%22&rnum=4&hl=de#f1fe61ad9d0ff639

$ search SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]SYS$CONFIG.DAT;1 12160

on VMS 7.3-2 returns

device = "Qlogic ISP12160 Ultra160"

So, what are my chances of plugging the Qlogic (QLA12160/66) dual
ultra wide SCSI PCI controller into the ALPHAserver 1200 running
VMS 7.3-2 and getting it to work?

What would be the easiest/cheapest possibility to install a PCI card in
this machine? It's just a hobbyist machine so official support is not
an issue, as long as it works reliably. Allegedly the newer ALPHAs use
"industry standard PC-style PCI hardware", whatever that means. Do I
stand a chance of buying a controller at a department store or somewhere
like that at a reasonable price and have it work?
 
 
 

Qlogic ISP12160 Ultra160, QLA12160/66 dual ultra wide SCSI PCI controller

Post by William We » Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:16:38

On 7/11/05, Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply


Hmmm. Worth trying, I guess, if you can do it for free.

Quickspecs for the 1200 series are here:
http://www.yqcomputer.com/

Sorry for the mess below but tables don't copy well from .pdfs.

Order Number SCSI Adapter and Minimum O/S version supported Tru64 UNIX
Windows NT OpenVMS
KZPCM-DA PCI-based dual port UltraSCSI Single-ended adapter and
10/100 Mbit Ethernet Combo adapter, uses 1 PCI slot
V4.0D 4.0 V7.1-1H1
KZPBA-CA PCI-based one port UltraSCSI Single-ended adapter V3.2G 4.0 V7.1-1H1
KZPAC-AA PCI-based one port RAID controller with 4 MB cache, not
factory configured as RAID set
V3.2G 4.0 V7.1-1H1
KZPAC-CA PCI-based three port RAID controller with 4 MB cache, not
factory configured as RAID set
V3.2G 4.0 V7.1-1H1
KZPAC-CB Same as A above with 8 MB cache memory V3.2G 4.0 V7.1-1H1


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Post by hoff » Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:16:21

In article <daufk0$rcg$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, XXXX@XXXXX.COM (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:
:I managed to get an ALPHAserver 1200...
:I could get a Qlogic (QLA12160/66) dual ultra wide SCSI PCI controller.
..
: device = "Qlogic ISP12160 Ultra160"
:
:So, what are my chances of plugging the Qlogic (QLA12160/66) dual
:ultra wide SCSI PCI controller into the ALPHAserver 1200 running
:VMS 7.3-2 and getting it to work?

Try it, or find somebody that has already tried it -- preferably
in a similar system configuration, of course.

:What would be the easiest/cheapest possibility to install a PCI card in
:this machine? It's just a hobbyist machine so official support is not
:an issue, as long as it works reliably. Allegedly the newer ALPHAs use
:"industry standard PC-style PCI hardware", whatever that means. Do I
:stand a chance of buying a controller at a department store or somewhere
:like that at a reasonable price and have it work?

"It depends". If the device works like a supported device, you'll
be fine. If the device doesn't, well, you'll potentially have some
trouble.

If you want to be certain the device will work, acquire a supported
device.

This isn't intended to be evasive, either -- there's a misconception
around that I/O devices are compatible and interchangeable, and this
largely seems to arise from the gazillions of vendor-provided drivers
found in Microsoft Windows. Devices that are considered "compatible"
are not "identical", of course -- if the device was "identical", it
would be sold as such -- and "compatible" devices can require driver
modifications or other work within the host operating system. Devices
that we have tested and know work are on the supported hardware list.

If you want to see what options you have, visit the AlphaServer site
(via < http://www.yqcomputer.com/ ;) and navigate down through to the
supported options list for the (retired servers) AlphaServer 1200
series. That box might be far enough back that you might also be
looking at the old DIGITAL Systems and Options Catalog (SOC), too.

Here's the direct (though volatile) URL:

< http://www.yqcomputer.com/ ;

I've certainly stuffed some odd widgets into various Alpha PCI buses,
and some have worked and some have not. Some I've written drivers for,
and some I've simply transfered tweaked entries from SYS$CONFIG.DAT over
into SYS$USER_CONFIG.DAT -- sometimes just the PCI id needs to be changed
and an existing (similar) driver can be borrowed, and sometimes you need
an updated or even a whole new device driver. And sometimes you crash,
and sometimes you bus-hang. Hardware support is nothing if not fun...



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Post by johnhreinh » Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:28:46


After reading this I went trolling through SYS$CONFIG.DAT I noticed
there are quite a few devices listed that don't have drivers in
SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES. This is on a fresh 7.3-2 isntall with no patches
applied. What happened to the drivers? Were they not quite ready for
prime time? Just curious.
 
 
 

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Post by David Turn » Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:54:22

Use a KZPCM-DA

It's not much use getting a faster card as the backplane on the internal bus
for AS1200 supports UW SCSI (40Mb/sec) maximum

The KZPCM-DA is a dual UW SCSI Controller wth 32Bit PCI interface. It also
includes a built in`10/100 ethernet based on the DE500-AA chipset

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Post by Fred » Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:30:42


The configuration file is used to build tables that formerly were "baked"
into
the bus support logic and hung off the ADPs. Now, during boot the files are
read, parsed and the tables are constructed on the fly and hung off the
appropriate ADPs (with the exception of a handful of class drivers and
other devices - like USB - which don't go into a ADP, but are used by
other software to do their own configuration).

Essentially, I created the base configuration files by a combination of
using
the "baked in" tables, the device driver registry we maintain internally,
and
other odds & ends (like the graphics drivers from Open3D).

Some of these devices do not come with the base OS, but are provided by
other layered products. For example, SYS$MSBDRIVER comes with MMOV.
There may also from time to time be devices that have been pre-added for
new devices that will ship in the future. But by-and-large, most of the
entries
have real drivers on the base OS kit.

User developed devices should be added to SYS$USER_CONFIG.DAT.
The tables can be rebuilt at runtime using SYSMAN IO REBUILD. The
setting of NOAUTO in SYSGEN at boot will prevent the USER config
file from being read BTW.

If you plug in a device that has an entry, but the driver is missing, the
load
simply fails when it can't find the driver. Unless it is a device used
during
the boot - this is generally benign.

There are still some layered products that continue to provide their own
ICBMs - even though 99% of all auto-configuration can simply be done
by adding a few lines of test to the config files. (ICBMs were the only
way to add new auto-config support for a device prior to the file based
configuration).
 
 
 

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Post by hoff » Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:42:45

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, " XXXX@XXXXX.COM " < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > writes:
:
:After reading this I went trolling through SYS$CONFIG.DAT I noticed
:there are quite a few devices listed that don't have drivers in
:SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES. This is on a fresh 7.3-2 isntall with no patches
:applied.

You'll want to remedy that omission, of course.

:What happened to the drivers? Were they not quite ready for
:prime time? Just curious.

These sorts of omissions tend not to be for any single reason.

I would expect various of the (uncited, omitted-from-the-installation)
device drivers are installed by various product kits, some are latent
support hooks, and some have not been released out into the wild for
any of various potential reasons. We tend to have all manner of stuff
latent within the typical OpenVMS release, after all.


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Post by johnhreinh » Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:37:32


Ah... yeah. I'm getting there. I just did a fresh install over the
weekend on my home stuff and that's what I was looking at. All I meant
was that it was the base-level V7.3-2 install with nothing added or
fixed up so these entries had been "factory original". Entries such as
the OP's QLogic QLA12160 and quite a number of Adaptec SCSI HBA's. I
was surprised to see a rather large number of Adaptec chipsets listed
and with the matching drivers. I guess I hadn't been watching the
hardware specs on recent Alpha systems as closely as I thought. It was
an interesting read for sure.