FreeBSD on AMD64 3000+ - amd64 or i386 version of FreeBSD?

FreeBSD on AMD64 3000+ - amd64 or i386 version of FreeBSD?

Post by Mark Kan » Fri, 15 Jul 2005 05:54:53


Hi everyone. I have decided to ditch Windows XP completely when my
motherboard comes back from it's RMA. I have a few questions about the
different FreeBSD versions.

1) I have an AMD64 3000+ processor. I've been reading some things around
the Internet about ports and other software not compiling properly with
the amd64 version of FreeBSD. Most of the things I've read about this
have been from 2004 or even late 2003, so I'm wondering how things have
progressed since then. Are there still many ports or software that don't
compile properly? Is there a list somewhere of known ports not to work
on the amd64 version?

Here is a short list of main things I will use this PC for:
IRC (X-Chat, maybe irssi)
Web Browsing (Mozilla Firefox)
Media playing (XMMS/VLC/mplayer)
Email (Mozilla Thunderbird)
Audio Streaming/Recording (streamTranscoder, streamripper, sc_trans maybe)
BitTorrent (Azureus)
Audio/Video Encoding (lame, oggenc, various video encoding tools)

Basically I'm wondering opinions on either the i386 or amd64 version of
FreeBSD for my hardware for FreeBSD 5.4. Which works better? For what
reasons? Are there any other caveats?

2) Will my hardware work properly with the amd64 version? I see my
motherboard (Giga-Byte GA-K8NS Pro) is listed as "Functional" on the
FreeBSD amd64 motherboard page
( http://www.yqcomputer.com/ ).

My other hardware includes:

Sound Blaster Augidy 2 Platinum
GeForce FX5600 (MSI)
TDK VeloCD 40x12x48 CD Burner
Sony DRU500A DVD Burner

3) I know of a couple applications that don't build on the amd64 such as
linux-firefox and Azureus (because of Java). Does anyone have any info
on when there might be versions compatible with the amd64, or if there
is any other software like them that would work with the amd64 version
(main concern is flash on websites)?

4) Would you recommend the -RELEASE or -STABLE branch of FreeBSD 5?

Thanks very much in advance for your opinions!

-Mark

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FreeBSD on AMD64 3000+ - amd64 or i386 version of FreeBSD?

Post by Kris Kenna » Fri, 15 Jul 2005 07:13:11


Didn't I answer this question when you asked it elsewhere?

Kris

 
 
 

FreeBSD on AMD64 3000+ - amd64 or i386 version of FreeBSD?

Post by Bill Lair » Fri, 15 Jul 2005 07:30:07

ark Kane wrote:
I've tried both i386 and X64 versions of FreeBSD 5.4 (also XP and XP-X64).
All work OK. Software is mostly just re-compiled for 64 bit - to
doubtful advantage.

Currently I'm just using the 32 bit O/S versions. Really isn't much
around that's been written to make proper use of 64 bits yet - it will
take time. Though I hear there's now a 64bit version of firefox?

CD burner should work with burncd command, the DVD burner may need some
extra support.

nvidia is supported and there are original nvidia drivers available in
ports (just type startx and X will usually start OK albeit at a rather
high resolution else xorgcfg -textmode is the easy way to configure X)

You'll need to enable sound support in /boot/loader.conf once you've
installed FreeBSD

KDE (or gnome) has good support for media - mp3, mpeg ogg etc built in.
xmms with smpeg etc will also play most audio, video formats if you want
to avoid bulky desktops.

Mozilla works fine tho. I don't bother with Java or flash.
There are FreeBSD and Linux versions of Firefox available - I tried
Firefox under 5.3 FreeBSD and it worked OK but rationalised back to
Mozilla 1.7 since it has tabbed browse, mailnews etc inbuilt.

Last time I loaded Java (1.3) on FreeBSD I found it a messy process -
Sun, licence, download, patch etc, etc.
(Have both available under Linux and Win xpee for those extremely rare
occasions when I may actually want to view the additional overhead on
web pages...)

M. Board here is a gigabyte ga-k8vm800m. Dunno if it's on the FreeBSD
hardware list but it all works fine!

Unless you've a burning desire to run a few real 64 bit apps. the i386
version of FreeBSD 5.4 stable/ production would do fine.

--

de Bill VK2BLA
AMD64 - FreeBSD 5.4

'The road less travelled'
 
 
 

FreeBSD on AMD64 3000+ - amd64 or i386 version of FreeBSD?

Post by Mark Kan » Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:16:37


Yes. However I'm trying to get quite a few opinions on the amd64 vs i386
version (-RELEASE vs -STABLE in amd64 as well), and see what several
people think.

You and Roland were a great help, and that link helped as well. I'm just
trying to get several opinions on the topic.

Thanks.

-Mark

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100% Commercial Free Trance/Progressive/Techno/Electronic Internet Radio
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FreeBSD on AMD64 3000+ - amd64 or i386 version of FreeBSD?

Post by Kris Kenna » Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:32:01


Eh? There's been a "64-bit" (i.e. native amd64) version of firefox
for at least a year.


Firefox has done the former since forever. Of course, it's by design
that it doesn't do the latter.


The main reason to use amd64 would be if you need more than 4GB of
RAM.

Kris
 
 
 

FreeBSD on AMD64 3000+ - amd64 or i386 version of FreeBSD?

Post by Matthew Po » Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:11:27

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:30:07 +1000, someone purporting to be Bill Laird
didst scrawl:


*SNIP*
*SNIP*

Not on amd64 there's not, unless nVIDIA got over themselves in the last 10
days and released the drivers that dozens of people have asked for (and
probably hundreds want).
If you're after nvidia drivers i386 is your only choice. And to anyone
from nVIDIA who's reading this, get your *mutter mutter* together and
produce the damn drivers. You've got most of the work done already!

--
Matthew Poole
"Don't use force. Get a bigger hammer."
 
 
 

FreeBSD on AMD64 3000+ - amd64 or i386 version of FreeBSD?

Post by Bill Lair » Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:59:14


Sorry, I was merely indicating nv driver availability.
I just use the generic ones so had not checked -X64 ports for same...

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de Bill VK2BLA
AMD64 - FreeBSD 5.4

'The road less travelled'
 
 
 

FreeBSD on AMD64 3000+ - amd64 or i386 version of FreeBSD?

Post by Bill Lair » Mon, 18 Jul 2005 00:11:03


OK so i'm behind the times!

Sorry, i just meant that at least mozilla 1.7 is on the CD set and it
includes tabs, mail-news. Does what i want NOT that it's a better choice
for everyone.
What-ever browser with J. & F. plugs... i just don't like flash nor
increasingly Java. Again just my opinion.

Probably 32 bit makes better use of my meagre 512 MB of RAM...




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de Bill VK2BLA
AMD64 - FreeBSD 5.4

'The road less travelled'