Which one? Delphi 2006 or C++ Builder 2006?

Which one? Delphi 2006 or C++ Builder 2006?

Post by Pete Goodw » Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:15:58


If I were to buy Delphi 2006 would that enable me to build C++ Builder
projects? Same question with C++ Builder 2006, can I build Delphi 2006
projects?

C++ Builder V6 had support for Delphi but wouldn't allow you to build
Delphi projects, only support compiling source code in with a C++
Builder project. Is that how Delphi 2006 and C++ Builder 2006 are going
to work?

Looking at the feature comparison, it looks as though Delphi 2006 will
give me both. I'll wait until I can get a trial version to find out
(note: I bought Delphi 2005 without waiting last time - I won't make
that mistake again).

--
Pete Goodwin
Cheesed off C++ Builder V6 and Delphi 2005 owner.
 
 
 

Which one? Delphi 2006 or C++ Builder 2006?

Post by Eric Grang » Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:29:39

It seems to me they are the exact same thing sold under different names,
with the only differences being box art and maybe the splash screen
bitmap / start page.

If that isn't the case, I would be interested to know the differences too :)

Eric

 
 
 

Which one? Delphi 2006 or C++ Builder 2006?

Post by Uffe Kousg » Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:35:55

Delphi 2006 and C++ builder 2006 are two of the personalities within the
product Borland Developer Studio. I just don't think you can buy them
seperately. At least that is how I understand it.

Regards
Uffe

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Which one? Delphi 2006 or C++ Builder 2006?

Post by Alan Garn » Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:56:20


It's also my understanding that they are the same product. It's just Borland
who is doing a very good job at confusing existing and potential future
customers. Poor advertising in my view...

Alan.
 
 
 

Which one? Delphi 2006 or C++ Builder 2006?

Post by Pete Goodw » Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:13:18


That begs the question: why sell Delphi 2006 or C++ Builder 2006 if
they are the same? Why not just call it 'Borland Developer Studio' and
have done with it?

As I understand it, C++ Builder 2006 has 'release' and 'debug' modes -
will the Delphi 'personality' have the same?

--
Pete Goodwin
Cheesed off Kylix, C++ Builder V6 and Delphi 2005 owner
 
 
 

Which one? Delphi 2006 or C++ Builder 2006?

Post by Andy Sym » Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:17:35


I suspect they are breaking us into the idea gently and that the next
release will, indeed, only be called BDS.

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Technosoft Systems Ltd
www.technosoft.co.uk
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Which one? Delphi 2006 or C++ Builder 2006?

Post by Eugen Neub » Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:24:48


No, they just want to please both groups. Sometimes Delphi- *and* BCB-folks
are kind of fanatic... I guess they fear that a BCB-fan wont buy Delphi for
a
C++ compiler and vice versa.

How would you solve this puzzle?

--
mfg.
Eugen
 
 
 

Which one? Delphi 2006 or C++ Builder 2006?

Post by Andy Sym » Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:25:20


Just call it Borland Developer Studio from the next release. :-)

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Andy Syms
Technosoft Systems Ltd
www.technosoft.co.uk
ICQ 136991871
 
 
 

Which one? Delphi 2006 or C++ Builder 2006?

Post by Paul Gusta » Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:33:14

"Pete Goodwin" wrote...

They are all the same...it's a 3 for 1 deal. If you want C++Builder, you'll
also get get Delphi and C#. If you want Delphi you get C++Builder and C#.
Here's what the FAQ says...

"To make it easier for existing customers to find, we are selling the studio
under the traditional Delphi C++Builder and C#Builderbrands for this
release - no matter which of these you buy, you'll get the same complete
studio, the same capabilities, at the same price."

The name on the title bar (once you load it) will say Borland Developer
Studio. (see Troy Kitch's demo video - and screen shots in marketing product
PDFs).
>
> C++ Builder V6 had support for Delphi but wouldn't allow you to buil>
> Delphi projects, only support compiling source code in with a C+>
> Builder project. Is that how Delphi 2006 and C++ Builder 2006 are goin>
> to work?

As I understand it, if you choose a C++ project within BDS you should still
be load and compile Delphi code.
However, I'm not sure if you choose a Delphi project within BDS you can load
and compile C++ code.

Also, Danny Thorpe says we can expect "VCL app development in C++!" (see
http://www.yqcomputer.com/ ) I'm not sure
whether or not this means C++ VCLs will work for Delphi projects. If so,
that would be cool - as more Win32 VCLs could be developed and leveraged by
more users (C++ and Delphi developers alike). I suspect though that VCLs
(for Delphi users) will still need to to be done in Delphi. :-( If this
is true, at least C++ developers can take advantage of the Delphi capability
within the IDE and begin to serve up a new crop of VCL components (that is
if they choose to dabble in Delphi). >
> Looking at the feature comparison, it looks as though Delphi 2006 wil>
> give me both. I'll wait until I can get a trial version to find ou>
> (note: I bought Delphi 2005 without waiting last time - I won't mak>
> that mistake again).

The Feature compairson's are skewed based on what personality you are
looking at. I don't thnk it matters which one you buy - you get all the
features for whatever tier you choose (Architect, Enterprise, Pro)

Cool - huh?

- Paul Gustavson
 
 
 

Which one? Delphi 2006 or C++ Builder 2006?

Post by Alan Garn » Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:35:17


By getting a life? Honestly, I started with Delphi, then went onto BCB and
then back to Delphi. I just went for what I thought was the best solution at
the time. I have a preference for C++, but eh...

Anyway, I would personally just call it Borland Developer Studio. Full stop.

Alan.
 
 
 

Which one? Delphi 2006 or C++ Builder 2006?

Post by Uffe Kousg » Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:36:48


That IS exactly what they call it. Try to read the line below the headline
here:
http://www.yqcomputer.com/

"Enhanced development environments offered as part of Borland Developer
Studio.....".

MS Visual Studio also contains both VB and VC++ and that isn't so hard to
understand, right?

Regards
Uffe
 
 
 

Which one? Delphi 2006 or C++ Builder 2006?

Post by Rudy Velth » Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:52:56


I would suspect the same.
--
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://www.yqcomputer.com/

"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
 
 
 

Which one? Delphi 2006 or C++ Builder 2006?

Post by Pete Goodw » Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:01:24


Does Microsoft sell VB and VC++ as seperate products or as 'visual
studio'?

Do you see my point?

By selling BDS as two seperate products, does that imply a difference
between them?

--
Pete Goodwin
Cheesed off Kylix, C++ Builder V6 and Delphi 2005 owner
 
 
 

Which one? Delphi 2006 or C++ Builder 2006?

Post by Pete Goodw » Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:03:44


[snip]

That's a pity, that's what I could do with right now... I have a large
Delphi app that needs a C module, currently in a DLL. Could do with it
being in the app.


--
Pete Goodwin
Cheesed off Kylix, C++ Builder V6 and Delphi 2005 owner
 
 
 

Which one? Delphi 2006 or C++ Builder 2006?

Post by Oliver Tow » Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:08:15

> Do you see my point?

No. All I saw when I looked at the Delphi 2006 announcment was that I could
use Delphi, C++ and C#. Where's the problem?


What's the big deal? You can buy BDS and get both products. I don't see
why you are complaining. This is all part of the 'Borland never does
anything right' theory of life.

Oliver Townshend
TApologist