Microsoft launches express product line in India

Microsoft launches express product line in India

Post by Venkatesh » Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:16:19


Microsoft is trying to capture the market in India with the following news
item.Will Borland do somet hing similar or not be bothered with India(the
land of devlopers)
Venkatesh

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NEW DELHI: Microsoft India today announced the launch of Express product
line for SQL Server and Visual Studio, mainly targeted at entry-level
developers and programming enthusiasts who are interested in experimenting
with application development.
 
 
 

Microsoft launches express product line in India

Post by Will DeWit » Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:42:15


Borland can't even be bothered to do something similar in their home
country, I wouldn't count on anything from them in India. (Having said
that though, good luck in convincing them that it's in their own best
interests to get developers on board to use their products; it'd be
good for Borland).

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Microsoft launches express product line in India

Post by Nick Hodge » Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:04:42


I hope so -- I raised this issue with Borland management, and they
seemed receptive to the idea. They certainly are aware of the Express
program and will no doubt take it under advi *** t.

How much is MS charging for the express program? I've gotten a bunch
of free beta's, but they haven't said how much the released versions
will cost.

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Microsoft launches express product line in India

Post by Nick Hodge » Sat, 25 Sep 2004 03:17:18


Sounds reasonable. Borland continues to give out the JBuilder
Foundation download, so perhaps that thinking will spread back over to
the Delphi side. I certainly argued for it at our meetings last week.

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Microsoft launches express product line in India

Post by Will DeWit » Sat, 25 Sep 2004 03:27:00


Hopefully, like the talks about their sales force getting comissions on
everything (seemingly) but Delphi, this point hit home with the people
you spoke with.

Borland is really isolating itself with these price hikes, changes to
SA, and so forth. It can't be helping business (for Delphi)..

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Microsoft launches express product line in India

Post by Nick Hodge » Sat, 25 Sep 2004 03:32:20


I don't think it is all that bad. The price "hike" is really for SA,
which I gather was actually costing Borland money. Ensuring you make a
profit seems like a /wise/ move to me.

I personally am not going to be surprised if and when there is a
"Delphi Express" version.

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Microsoft launches express product line in India

Post by Will DeWit » Sat, 25 Sep 2004 03:42:29


Heh, the $250 -> $400 Pro SKU upgrade hike was done before SA was
introduced. I agree, the hike on SA was bigger, but as you say, it was
probably doing them more harm then good. I do think they went about it
the wrong way though.. as I said elsewhere, my original intent was to
buy D9 at launch with SA for one year--

4Q/2004

$400 Delphi 9 Pro Upgrade
+$200 Delphi 9 Pro Software Assurance
---- -----
=$600 Total

But since they've made SA a no-option for Pro SKU upgraders, the
outlook now looks more like this--

2H/2005

$400 Delphi 10 Pro Upgrade
---- -----
=$400 Total

Now instead of getting $600 this fall, they'll only be getting $400
late next year.


But the question is, how badly limited will it be? I'm hopeful they'll
realize their "Personal" editions were a total flop, but I just don't
see them offering up the same functionality Microsoft's Express
versions offer. If that's the case, they'd practically be selling
Delphi Pro for $50-100.

Not that I'd mind.

Any "loss" would likely be offset by an increase in volume of sales. I
just hope they have the vision to see that getting a higher volume of
sales is better for them in the end.

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Microsoft launches express product line in India

Post by Borla » Sat, 25 Sep 2004 03:50:40


It's not the first time they've heard it or discussed it.


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Microsoft launches express product line in India

Post by Nick Hodge » Sat, 25 Sep 2004 03:57:36


That's a price hike, I agree. The question is whether it increased
Borland's profits. Perhaps it has.

In any event, in my view, $250 was an outrageously good deal, and $400
is a really, really good deal.


As a side note, SA is /not/ meant to be a one year deal. It is meant
to be a long-term purchase. Anyway....



From you, yes. But you won't have Delphi 9, either, so you are out as
well.

If you upgrade to D9 for $400, you have at least $400 worth of
productivity gains, and likely much more.



As I've said - one thing I am supremely confident of is that Borland
has way, way, way more knowledge about the effect of packaging and
pricing on their profits than you or I do.

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Microsoft launches express product line in India

Post by Erwien Sap » Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:12:12

Nick, in your blog, you mentioned about five questions you wanted to
ask Dale. Did you have chance to ask those questions?

Wien.
 
 
 

Microsoft launches express product line in India

Post by Nick Hodge » Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:28:21


Yep, I sure did -- at the Advisory Board dinner.

Did anyone else ask him the questions?

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Microsoft launches express product line in India

Post by Erwien Sap » Sat, 25 Sep 2004 10:09:27


Can you tell what was the answers?

Wien.
 
 
 

Microsoft launches express product line in India

Post by Nick Hodge » Sat, 25 Sep 2004 10:23:58


Mostly they were "we'll look into it". The lack of sales commission
for Delphi struck a chord, I think.

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Microsoft launches express product line in India

Post by David Cleg » Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:17:33


C#Builder Personal was an excellent idea, and it was a shame to see
that not extended to D8.

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Post by Nick Hodge » Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:30:37


Agreed.

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