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Not what he is saying. There is no "reveal codes", because there are no
codes stored *in* the text, as in WordPerfect. WordPerfect codes are
more or less like HTML tags, embedded in the text. Word documents have
a TOTALLY different organisation principle.
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is the sound my head makes as I beat it against the desk.
In their infinite wisdom the bosses decided that everyone
must use Word.

I was using WordPerfect.

does the word "unintuitive" mean anything to you, boys and girls?

and, to help matters, we get "advise" from uSlop MVPs like this:
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<q>
There is nothing in Word directly comparable to Reveal Codes in WordPerfect.
There is a very good reason for this. WordPerfect can be thought of (and I
understand is) basically a text stream with codes interspersed (for more on
this, see John McGhie's article on Word vs. WordPerfect). This is what you
see when you Reveal Codes. You have codes or markers that turn on and off
certain formatting characteristics. Word, on the other hand, is a series of
nesting containers, characters inside words inside paragraphs inside
sections inside documents. The formatting of these is by styles and by
pointers at the beginning and end of the document. I am reliably informed
that if you open a Word document in a hex editor, you see a forest of
gibberish at the beginning and end that represent these codes and pointers
(you can get a small idea of this by opening a document using the Recover
Text from Any File setting under "Files of type" in the File Open dialog).
So Reveal Codes, even if there were such a thing in Word, would not be very
helpful.
</q>

so, basically, we don't have reveal codes in word cause it's too much
trouble
for the programmers to figure out how to do it, and it would look too much
like WordPerfect... ??? <g>

anyway, all I am trying to find out at this point is to pop a graphic down,
and
move it around to where I want it to sit on the page...

ahwell, the quest continues....

BTW, I went from a text based processor (borland sprint) to
WordPerfect painlessly. Word? gee, what an *** !




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Yup. Well, expanded OpenOffice documents are not really small either
(lots of XML), but they are zipped.
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Du jour = of the day.

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Word is okay IMO for everyday use but it can get very, very, /horribly/
unintuitive in some areas. I am known throughout our company
(unfortunately) as being the only person that understands how
indentation and section numbering work. To be fair once you understand
it it is kind of obvious but getting to that point is another matter :)


Copy it into the clipboard and paste it - it appears at the cursor. Or
use \Insert\Picture. To move it just it drag it around with the mouse.
To choose how the text flows around it right click the picture and from
the menu select 'Format Object' then the 'Layout' tab.

FWIW I do often question the idea that Word was useability tested in a
lab but I think the problem is that the testing was carried out using
'dumb users'. Most of the problems I have with Word are caused by me
trying to think too much :)
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Word is the word processor du jeur (sp?) here, but I use Open Office Writer.
If need be (if I need to share a file), I can save the file as .doc. Maybe
ewe can dew something similar.

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And compared to OpenOffice documents a huge overhead.
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Have to use it too, now, in school.

Under Insert there should be Picture or Graphic or Object.
After you inserted one you can right-click it and find something
like Properties somewhere in the popup menu. In the opening dialog
you can set the size and position and if the picture should be infront
or behind the text, or if the text should float around it and some more.
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Which is very convenient.
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understood. so, the formating commands are placed at the beginning
of the documents, where indices exist to indicate where a particular
command is applied

do you think it would be diffucult to show where these indicies point to?




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<ow> <ow> <ow> yes, I know... lol


I found that not too intuitive, but not too hard to "uncover"
the things one needs to do to get the job done


yes, there is a logic to it, but it's not intuitive.



got that far


that doesn't happen for me.. can cut and paste it to the cursor, but not
drag it


ok, figured that out, thanks


I wish I had that job.... "usability tester"


hmm... my thoughts go "this is so much easier in wordperfect"
how about yours??? lol




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Are you sure? You're talking about the Bullet and Numbering dialog, yes?

<warning - don't do this on a live document>

\Format\Bullets and numbering\Outline numbered

Click anything but the first one. Click the [Customize](sic) button.

Have fun :)
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> > To move it just it drag it around with the mouse.

Use the power of the right-click, Luke.

Bring up the picture toolbar and select anything other than "in line with
text" and you'll be able to move it around.

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You might have to click it once to select it (the resize handles appear
on the corners and edges) and /then/ drag it.

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Not simply formatting codes. The entire structure is different. A word
document is a set of nested objects.
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