getting to 5.x binary packages

getting to 5.x binary packages

Post by sander.ves » Fri, 15 Oct 2004 03:29:11


Ok, this is a sort of 'getting from A to B' question, except that I
dont presently have a good idea as to where 'A' is precicely ;-)

It would be nice to have binary packages of jdk 1.4 (or 1.5 i guess,
but anyways) so that it could be a simple download and hopefully ship
with one of the 5.x releases. So could anybody tell me if :

* there is a plan (or how to get to one existing)
* what the plan is
* what other java related plans are in FreeBSD
* if thereare obvious concrete ways somebody could help
* what these ways would be

I can promise to make a patches to the existing web pages @
http://www.yqcomputer.com/
somebody explains it ...

Sander
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getting to 5.x binary packages

Post by sander.ves » Fri, 15 Oct 2004 03:59:51

Ok, this is a sort of 'getting from A to B' question, except that I
dont presently have a good idea as to where 'A' is precicely ;-)

It would be nice to have binary packages of jdk 1.4 (or 1.5 i guess,
but anyways) so that it could be a simple download and hopefully ship
with one of the 5.x releases. So could anybody tell me if :

* there is a plan (or how to get to one existing)
* what the plan is
* what other java related plans are in FreeBSD
* if thereare obvious concrete ways somebody could help
* what these ways would be

I can promise to make a patches to the existing web pages @
http://www.yqcomputer.com/
somebody explains it ...

Sander
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getting to 5.x binary packages

Post by m.seama » Fri, 15 Oct 2004 04:29:14


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The problem with providing a binary distribution is not technical, but
legal. If you download and build the JDK from source you have to
agree to abide by the terms of the Sun Community Source License:

http://www.yqcomputer.com/

Which says it's OK to use freely for Research and for Internal
Deployment. Commercial use and permission to redistribute are a very
different matter. You can use the java/jdk14 port to build a FreeBSD
package for your own use, but you cannot give it away outside your own
organization.

In order for the FreeBSD Foundation to be licensed to distribute a
pre-compiled J2SE 1.4.2 JDK or JRE freely the FreeBSD port would first
have to pass Sun's compliance testing -- I believe that it has been
stated that the jdk-1.4.2 port would pass in it's current state
without any trouble at all -- but it takes money to get everything
formally tested, and then the licensing terms have to be negotiated,
again requiring some expenditure on lawyers etc. For most
corporations I don't think the costs would be particularly onerous.
For an all volunteer project like FreeBSD they're right out of the
question unless a generous donor can be found.

Cheers,

Matthew

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getting to 5.x binary packages

Post by sander.ves » Fri, 15 Oct 2004 05:05:44

[first off, sorry for the duplicate post - some initial gmail confusion]

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:28:53 +0100, Matthew Seaman



Yes, I know of the legal aspect of what must happen before jdk binaries
can be redistibuted.


Which for many uses and ease of use, really sucks.


My impression was that the existing 4.x package was made under the
"special" scholarship TCK licence that Sun provides for free to non- profits
(or at least allows them to apply for such) and that similar might supposedly
be obtained for making newer Java binary packages for 5.x. Am I mistaken?

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Post by glewi » Fri, 15 Oct 2004 06:04:33


Please read the list archives.


There is indeed a plan.


The plan is to release binaries as soon as they have been tested. The
current holdup on 4.x is simply a matter of the time it takes to do the
testing. Hopefully soon. The hold up on 5.x is problems with the debug
interface (see the list archives for several discussions on this). 5.x
also currently has problems with the Server VM with gcc 3.4, but we have
some patches that appear to fix that, they just need a little more testing.


World domination! Maybe if you could be more specific about what sort of
plans you're interested in... :).


Someone could find out why jdb blows up on 5.x and submit a patch to fix
it.


See above.

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Post by sander.ves » Fri, 15 Oct 2004 06:45:01


Cool :)


Even cooler :)


Why, the world domination ones of course ;-)


Ok, when the 1.4.2 build on my 5.2.1 (or should I upgrde first?) completes
so I can start the OpenOffice.org builds, I'll take a look at it.


Thanx

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Post by iang » Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:25:21


Not that I know that donor, but has anyone ever come
across or done a budget for that process? It would
be interesting to know, not only for finding donors,
but also as a pointer to Sun.

iang

( It is issues like this that make Sun's claim
that Java is write-once-run-anywhere so ridiculous.

In practice, Java's spread is slowed dramatically by
these sorts of tactics, and a lot of circumstances
can't tell the difference between Microsoft's "guarunteed
on our platform" and Sun's "maybe on three platforms"
approach.

Java still seems to be the best language for general
purpose server programming, but I think it would be
all over if Microsoft went cross platform in a serious
fashion. )
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