Last Call: Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, and Windows Millennium Edition Support

Last Call: Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, and Windows Millennium Edition Support

Post by roman modi » Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:10:49


Hello!

http://www.yqcomputer.com/
[quote]
Microsoft has officially begun requesting that users running Windows 98, 98 SE and Millennium Edition (Me) upgrade their operating
system as soon as possible. The Redmond company will cease all public and technical support for the products on July 11, 2006,
including all security updates.
[/quote]

[quote]
"It's surprising how many consumers or businesses still use these older versions, particularly Windows 98. Their continued use
partly accounts for an extension of support for about an additional 18 months--from January 2004 to July 2006," Jupiter Research
senior analyst Joe Wilcox told BetaNews.
...
"Timing is unfortunate given Windows Vista's delay," he added. "Consumers with Windows 98 or Me will be looking at new Windows XP
PCs -- or even a Mac -- instead of Windows Vista."
[/quote]

One of the comments
[quote - by mdn7779]
After reading all the posts, am disappointed in many of them. As a tech that runs my own business, I see all operating systems,
though I have to admit, I have not seen Win95 in about two years. Being the only tech in my area that services computers in the
home, many of my customers are over the 60's mark. Many of them picked up a computer from a school sale or given to them from their
children. Is $400-$500 at lot to these people. Yes, when they are paying $800 plus a month for medication to keep them alive, can't
afford a car, and living on Social Security that only raises between $5-8.00 per month, $400 plus is a lot of money.

I have a lot of respect for these people. They are tackling at completely foreign technology that they are scare to death that they
are going to mess up just to try to keep up with the times. These people live on an income that far too many of who wrote sarcastic
posts would not be able to last 30 days on, let alone year after year.

Microsoft's decision is just another nail in the coffin for many of these people. Think about it, and shame on your parents for not
raising you right!
[/quote]

http://www.yqcomputer.com/

Regards, Roman
 
 
 

Last Call: Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, and Windows Millennium Edition Support

Post by Jonn » Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:31:28

ecently copied, stripped drivers, added drivers on a moved 98SE,
motherboard/cpu/RAM upgraded. Then installed XP on the first partition.
3rd party boot manager. Did this to ease the transition for the owner. So,
only half of the PC is officially supported by MS.

Think the only support that the public needs is defense/fixes against
internet intrusions on the OS itself and IE/media player/OE and so forth
regarding non-XP. Commonly known as critical updates. Many new versions of
AVs no longer support pre-XP dos based versions MS OSes. However, some of
the previous version AV engines still are provided AV definitions for
current baddies. Don't know if that is going to die soon.

Yes, there's many seniors out there living on fixed incomes. Some have hand
me down PCs, pawn shop PCs, and just plain old ones they had when they last
worked before retiring. Sad, but true. There is no money in supporting
that, so MS and Bill are doing the corporate thing regarding lack of profit.
--
Jonny
"roman modic" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in message
news: XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...



 
 
 

Last Call: Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, and Windows Millennium Edition Support

Post by Satellite » Fri, 14 Apr 2006 02:04:54

I take it you are a Democrat...and Amen.

DTV


Hello!

http://www.yqcomputer.com/
174
[quote]
Microsoft has officially begun requesting that users running Windows 98, 98
SE and Millennium Edition (Me) upgrade their operating
system as soon as possible. The Redmond company will cease all public and
technical support for the products on July 11, 2006,
including all security updates.
[/quote]

[quote]
"It's surprising how many consumers or businesses still use these older
versions, particularly Windows 98. Their continued use
partly accounts for an extension of support for about an additional 18
months--from January 2004 to July 2006," Jupiter Research
senior analyst Joe Wilcox told BetaNews.
...
"Timing is unfortunate given Windows Vista's delay," he added. "Consumers
with Windows 98 or Me will be looking at new Windows XP
PCs -- or even a Mac -- instead of Windows Vista."
[/quote]

One of the comments
[quote - by mdn7779]
After reading all the posts, am disappointed in many of them. As a tech that
runs my own business, I see all operating systems,
though I have to admit, I have not seen Win95 in about two years. Being the
only tech in my area that services computers in the
home, many of my customers are over the 60's mark. Many of them picked up a
computer from a school sale or given to them from their
children. Is $400-$500 at lot to these people. Yes, when they are paying
$800 plus a month for medication to keep them alive, can't
afford a car, and living on Social Security that only raises between $5-8.00
per month, $400 plus is a lot of money.

I have a lot of respect for these people. They are tackling at completely
foreign technology that they are scare to death that they
are going to mess up just to try to keep up with the times. These people
live on an income that far too many of who wrote sarcastic
posts would not be able to last 30 days on, let alone year after year.

Microsoft's decision is just another nail in the coffin for many of these
people. Think about it, and shame on your parents for not
raising you right!
[/quote]

http://www.yqcomputer.com/

Regards, Roman
 
 
 

Last Call: Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, and Windows Millennium Edition Support

Post by Hugh Candl » Fri, 14 Apr 2006 02:59:00


98 SE and Millennium Edition (Me) upgrade their operating
technical support for the products on July 11, 2006,

Microsoft is Microsoft-oriented, not customer-oriented.
They would rather fight than listen. They will always fight rather than
listen.
It doesn't matter if it is a foreign government or one small voice
in the vast wasteland that is Usenet.

If you aren't 100% Microsoft through and through, you are the enemy.

Over two years ago, I forecast here that, if Microsoft didn't wise up
and start taking better care of its existing customer base,
then another company will do it for them.



" If Microsoft and Intel don't get their skates on soon, companies such as
IBM,
Sun Microsystems and/or AMD will run MS right into the History books.
Or perhaps Apple? Think they could set the world on its ear once more?

[Just dreaming of what could be - if things were done properly] "

Since then, of course, Intel did wise up, Apple has switched
from the IBM Power PC chip to Intel chips to Intel processors,
preventing AMD from snatching their crown, leaving IBM asleep
at the wheel, despite IBM having a great new chip of their own.

Apple has also introduced an emulator to allow people to run Windows apps
on an Apple, firing a warning shot across Microsoft's bow,
which they will probably ignore, as they think that they are far too big
to go down the tubes.

General Motors probably thought that way at one time, also.
Today, Warren Buffett could buy GM using his pocket change.

Longer term, this will probably lead to the dethroning of Windows as
the market leader, as people look to shuck the speed burden
imposed by the emulator. The natural choice will be Apple's Mac OS X.

Given the public, corporate and governmental animosity
that Microsoft has built up, and well-earned, over the years,
it may be a trickle at first, then a snowball, then an avalanche
which will bury Windows deep in the history books.

So, Microsoft can "officially request" that I upgrade all of the copies
of all of the Operating Systems which I bought and paid for.

They can do that. They have done that.

They could also have noted that the only current option available
from Microsoft is XP.

They could have done that. They have NOT done that.

They could also have noted that they currently have a plan in place
and ready to go to announce the end of support for --- Windows XP.

They could have done that. They have NOT done that.

Unlike many people who cannot afford to do so,
I could upgrade to Windows XP.

I could do that. I will NOT do that.

Anyone been in an Apple store recently?

Crowded, aren't they, and it's not all Ipod buyers either.

You'd think, possibly, that "Bill Gates will never let this happen".
Well, BG has plans of his own, and they are more focused
on a post-Buffett Berkshire Hathaway than they are on MS.

This will all fall on deaf ears, but I care not.
 
 
 

Last Call: Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, and Windows Millennium Edition Support

Post by PCR » Fri, 14 Apr 2006 04:03:39

That's a sad story... very sad... indeed. BUT I continue to vow I will
not worry, until me 'n Win98 begin to crumble to dust. And I'm only...
well, I'm JUST a tad/so beyond... halfway there! Don't you worry,
either!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
XXXX@XXXXX.COM


| Hello!
|
|
http://www.yqcomputer.com/
| [quote]
| Microsoft has officially begun requesting that users running Windows
98, 98 SE and Millennium Edition (Me) upgrade their operating
| system as soon as possible. The Redmond company will cease all public
and technical support for the products on July 11, 2006,
| including all security updates.
| [/quote]
|
| [quote]
| "It's surprising how many consumers or businesses still use these
older versions, particularly Windows 98. Their continued use
| partly accounts for an extension of support for about an additional 18
months--from January 2004 to July 2006," Jupiter Research
| senior analyst Joe Wilcox told BetaNews.
| ...
| "Timing is unfortunate given Windows Vista's delay," he added.
"Consumers with Windows 98 or Me will be looking at new Windows XP
| PCs -- or even a Mac -- instead of Windows Vista."
| [/quote]
|
| One of the comments
| [quote - by mdn7779]
| After reading all the posts, am disappointed in many of them. As a
tech that runs my own business, I see all operating systems,
| though I have to admit, I have not seen Win95 in about two years.
Being the only tech in my area that services computers in the
| home, many of my customers are over the 60's mark. Many of them picked
up a computer from a school sale or given to them from their
| children. Is $400-$500 at lot to these people. Yes, when they are
paying $800 plus a month for medication to keep them alive, can't
| afford a car, and living on Social Security that only raises between
$5-8.00 per month, $400 plus is a lot of money.
|
| I have a lot of respect for these people. They are tackling at
completely foreign technology that they are scare to death that they
| are going to mess up just to try to keep up with the times. These
people live on an income that far too many of who wrote sarcastic
| posts would not be able to last 30 days on, let alone year after year.
|
| Microsoft's decision is just another nail in the coffin for many of
these people. Think about it, and shame on your parents for not
| raising you right!
| [/quote]
|
| http://www.yqcomputer.com/
|
| Regards, Roman
|
|
 
 
 

Last Call: Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, and Windows Millennium Edition Support

Post by PA Bea » Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:30:03

We feel your pain.

Please be aware that MS planned to end support for Win9x in Jan-04 and MS
MVPs lobbied successfully for the two-year extension.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), Aumha.org VSOP, DTS-L.org
 
 
 

Last Call: Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, and Windows Millennium Edition Support

Post by PCR » Fri, 14 Apr 2006 07:49:08

Can't you-all go back & growl again!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
XXXX@XXXXX.COM

| We feel your pain.
|
| Please be aware that MS planned to end support for Win9x in Jan-04 and MS
| MVPs lobbied successfully for the two-year extension.
| --
| ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
| MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), Aumha.org VSOP, DTS-L.org
|

| > Hello!
| >
| > http://www.yqcomputer.com/
| > [quote]
| > Microsoft has officially begun requesting that users running Windows 98,
| > 98 SE and Millennium Edition (Me) upgrade their operating system as soon
| > as possible. The Redmond company will cease all public and technical
| > support for the products on July 11, 2006, including all security
| > updates. [/quote]
| > [quote]
| > "It's surprising how many consumers or businesses still use these older
| > versions, particularly Windows 98. Their continued use partly accounts
| > for an extension of support for about an additional 18 months--from
| > January 2004 to July 2006," Jupiter Research senior analyst Joe Wilcox
| > told BetaNews. ... "Timing is unfortunate given Windows Vista's delay,"
| > he added. "Consumers with Windows 98 or Me will be looking at new Windows
| > XP PCs -- or even a Mac -- instead of Windows Vista." [/quote]
| >
| > One of the comments
| > [quote - by mdn7779]
| > After reading all the posts, am disappointed in many of them. As a tech
| > that runs my own business, I see all operating systems, though I have to
| > admit, I have not seen Win95 in about two years. Being the only tech in
| > my area that services computers in the home, many of my customers are
| > over the 60's mark. Many of them picked up a computer from a school sale
| > or given to them from their children. Is $400-$500 at lot to these
| > people. Yes, when they are paying $800 plus a month for medication to
| > keep them alive, can't afford a car, and living on Social Security that
| > only raises between $5-8.00 per month, $400 plus is a lot of money.
| > I have a lot of respect for these people. They are tackling at completely
| > foreign technology that they are scare to death that they are going to
| > mess up just to try to keep up with the times. These people live on an
| > income that far too many of who wrote sarcastic posts would not be able
| > to last 30 days on, let alone year after year.
| > Microsoft's decision is just another nail in the coffin for many of these
| > people. Think about it, and shame on your parents for not raising you
| > right! [/quote]
| >
| > http://www.yqcomputer.com/
| >
| > Regards, Roman
|
 
 
 

Last Call: Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, and Windows Millennium Edition Support

Post by PA Bea » Fri, 14 Apr 2006 07:59:12

No, we're too busy growling about crappy Vista beta builds and everything at
http://www.yqcomputer.com/ .
--
~PA
>> Can't you-all go back & growl again! >> >>>> Please be aware that MS planned to end support for Win9x in Jan-04 and >>>> MS MVPs lobbied successfully for the two-year extension.
 
 
 

Last Call: Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, and Windows Millennium Edition Support

Post by PCR » Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:17:32

I must go & watch "Lost" now. Looks like a lot to explore. I'm getting red X's on that first page for it's links (but they work). R-click, Show Picture, puts a square/circle/triangle in it for a moment only. I am checked for "Show pictures" in "Internet Options, Advanced tab, Multimedia section". Am I ill?


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
XXXX@XXXXX.COM

| No, we're too busy growling about crappy Vista beta builds and everything at
| http://www.yqcomputer.com/ .
| --
| ~PA |

|>> Can't you-all go back & growl again!
|>>
|>>>> Please be aware that MS planned to end support for Win9x in Jan-04 and
|>>>> MS MVPs lobbied successfully for the two-year extension.
|
 
 
 

Last Call: Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, and Windows Millennium Edition Support

Post by 98 Gu » Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:23:48


Why do people (like experts, sys admins, etc) think that the "end" of
"Official" support of Win-98 by M$ automatically means that on that
date, all Win-98 installations will magically stop functioning?

There have been very few critical updates to Win-98 itself over the
past few years (most updates are for OE). None of them were really
necessary to keep any or all win-98 systems operational, and all
currently-functioning win-98 systems will continue to function beyone
the July/2006 date.
 
 
 

Last Call: Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, and Windows Millennium Edition Support

Post by Jonn » Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:25:26

Let the group know minimum PC specs for Vista while you're at it. Let alone
the beta stuff.
--
Jonny


>>> Can't you-all go back & growl again! >>> >>>>> Please be aware that MS planned to end support for Win9x in Jan-04 and >>>>> MS MVPs lobbied successfully for the two-year extension. >>
 
 
 

Last Call: Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, and Windows Millennium Edition Support

Post by PA Bea » Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:36:29

See for yourself:
http://www.yqcomputer.com/


>>>>>> Can't you-all go back & growl again! >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please be aware that MS planned to end support for Win9x in Jan-04 >>>>>>>> and MS MVPs lobbied successfully for the two-year extension.
 
 
 

Last Call: Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, and Windows Millennium Edition Support

Post by 98 Gu » Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:27:56


Absolutely no real information in that link.

CPU: "A Modern CPU".

What the hell crock is that? An 850 mhz P-3 is a modern CPU - does
that mean it will work?

Is this the new style for MS's description of hardware requirements
for new OS's? Instead of hard numbers (like CPU type, speed, etc) all
we get are hairy-fairy psuedo-specs?
 
 
 

Last Call: Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, and Windows Millennium Edition Support

Post by Roy Coorn » Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:03:40

98 Guy schrieb:



The major bottleneck for the 'advanced' GUI features (Aero, Glass)
seems to be the graphic card.

Well, there are no definite hardware specs as the 'quality' of
possible GUI features depends on the resources - the more, the more...

The minimum looks like W2k, and the maximum looks like xgl;-)

< http://www.yqcomputer.com/ ;

Roy
 
 
 

Last Call: Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, and Windows Millennium Edition Support

Post by Roy Coorn » Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:08:57

98 Guy scribbled:


Of course...


They don't... may be some pretend to...


They will. And when there are no updates, OE is no longer necessary
even for that purpose; other animals (foxes, birds...) are ready and
willing to serve.

Roy