FSX - Best Computer to Use?

FSX - Best Computer to Use?

Post by Um9ndWVKZW » Fri, 22 Jun 2007 06:54:25


I am about to replace my Dell PC with a new Dell XPS 410 system. Does anyone
else have this kind of PC & can tell me how it well FSX Deluxe operates on
it? Does anyone know exactly what configuration/hardware I MUST have for
smooth, exceptional operation of FSX on this kind of computer. I want to know
before I actually order the new PC.

Thanks for any/all suggestions!
 
 
 

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Post by Um95c3Rvbi » Fri, 22 Jun 2007 07:29:44

Hi RogueJeff

I've just looked at the Dell XPS410 spec's and make the following
recomendations

Processor - Spend as much as you can afford
Memory - 2GB seems to be enough (I've noticed no real difference having
upgraded from 2GB to 4GB)
Graphics - ??? this is where you might come unstuck, the Dell webside
mentions the X1300pro in terms of ATI cards, and I have the better spec'd
X1650 XT and it struggles to give a decent frame rate with the scenery /
graphics set high.

If you want to go with the XPS 410 I'd suggest a 3rd party X1950 ATI or the
equivalent Nvidia card.

My 2 cent's worth, based on using FSX for a few months.

Royston H

 
 
 

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Post by Tony Sperl » Fri, 22 Jun 2007 07:37:05

Personally, I think you will need a first class PSU ( I don't know what Dell
supplies, but I assume it is not good enough). Then you'll need good cooling
and the fastest HD subsystem you can afford, SATA2 in RAID0 configuration
will do. One GB of the fastest Memory that exists, DDR2 800 will probably do
(2GB is better!). A reasonably fast dual-core CPU (probably not under
2,4Ghz). A DX10 compatible graphics card.

If I forgot something, someone will be sure to fill in.

You'll need lots of raw power, anything less could still provide a nice
experience, but you will need to make sacrifices - the more you move away
from this the more issues you will have. I'm fairly sure that the majority
of issues we are dealing with are rooted in economical compromises coupled
with extremely good components. It may work, but you will not be happy for
long!

For "smooth, exceptional operation", there is no room for compromises.


Tony. . .




anyone
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Post by Grand_Poob » Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:30:34

The first problem I can see with Dell is that most of their machines
used shared video RAM - I.E. they take RAM from the system and use it as
video RAM. Not a good thing. The advice to add in a board with it's
own RAM is a good idea.

GP

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Post by Tony Sperl » Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:11:43

Oh, I wasn't even aware of that - I have no experience with Dell's. But if
someone builds his own machine with specs to meet those requirements, where
I live (Denmark) we are talking nearly 3.000 dollars. This Dell has to be a
lot cheaper (without being cheap!), so I deduct that most of the components
will not live up to expectations. But Dell's have their plusses too, they
have a reputation for being well built and warranty is important with new
gear, but I agree, shared memory leaves me cold. In all fairness, though, I
believe the concept works in the reverse, the card's memory is added to the
system memory and all of it is one big pool, but again - this means they
leave the equivalent amount out of the system memory, so in effect you are
right.

What I've done, is that I worked out that there are multitudes of highly
educated IT specialists that are unemployed and who started some small shop
to fend off despair. I found a couple of them and I buy everything from
them. After a while it becomes sort of a personal relationship and now if I
buy something and I don't like it, I can return it. They also build my
machines to my specs, and they know if I have any trouble they'll be ducking
when they see me. I end up paying the full amount, but I get excellent
quality, and they will bend over backwards to keep it running. I cannot see
myself buying a brand-name computer, ever since I started out the 'Bamboo'
machines was always top notch.

(Good Heavens! Shared Memory, indeed.)

Tony. . .
 
 
 

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Post by RFQ » Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:07:54


DT
 
 
 

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Post by Grand_Poob » Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:00:33

Yup. My local "geeks" here (Five O'Clock Computers) is just three guys
whom I trust to put together a system. I used to do all that
backbreaking (and thankless) work myself when I was employed by a firm
who put in airline passenger terminal Arrival/Departure displays. Thank
goodness they "downsized" me (actually my job went to India). Now, if I
want a new system, I just contact these guys and they do the hard part.
Actually, it's about time for a new one right about now but I'll wait
until after my next cruise to get it.

GP

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Post by Tony Sperl » Fri, 22 Jun 2007 18:11:24

Not just with computers, though. I make an effort to try and form such a
personal relationship everywhere I shop - it doesn't work all the time, so
I'm not coming back all of the time. Not everyone has the benefit of a local
resource to support, but I took a peak on one supplier that someone posted
somewhere.

http://www.yqcomputer.com/

I'm quite sure that if I had to, I would probably trust this guy with a
limited 'initial' investment, and with a good deal of confidence too. He
seems to be one of those rare people that understands that he's got to make
an investment as well, to have a solid costumer-base, or there is no
business.

--------------

"The pleasure, derived from a saved buck is directly proportional to the
displeasure multiplied by the lenght of time you have to live with the
item!"


Tony. . .
 
 
 

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Post by Bill » Fri, 22 Jun 2007 18:26:32


Take a look at the Gateway FX530 series. One of things I liked is that their
motherboards can accommodate a CPU upgrade to a Quad if you start out with
dual. Dell couldn't do that.

Rule of thumb buy the most you can afford upfront, and be aware if it's
vista that you get a DX10 video card.

Bill
 
 
 

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Post by Ed Medli » Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:44:38


I use Dell as a benchmark as far as price when I build my own systems. My
current system was about $3,700. When I cusomized as close a system as
possible on the Dell site it came to just under $5,000 and it used the
Nvidia 8800 GTS cards in SLI instead of the GTX cards I bought. Included in
my cost was also the Swiftech Liquid Cooled Quietpower case which is a
modified Antec P180 and it is very quiet. I have found that for the average
get online and browse the net type system they are hard to beat. On the
extreme high end systems it seems to swing the other way. I bought most all
of my parts from Newegg and a large part of them had instant rebates or
special prices. The best thing about building your own is that you get to
choose what you want. This was the first 'ground-up' build I have done in a
long time. I had reached the end of line as far as upgrading the old system
so Mama got it..........:-). My specs.....

MB- Asus P5N32 SLI
CPU- Intel e6600 2.4mb @ 3.2mb (liquid cooled)
Memory- Mushkin Extreme PC-9200 (2gigs)
Video- 2X EVGA Superclocked 764mb 8800 GTX in SLI
PSU- PC Power and Cooling 750w SLI ready (had all four aux video power
connectors for the two video cards)
HDDs- 4X 500gb WD Sata II 16mb cache (I also do A/V work..2 drives in Raid0)
OEM drives purchased locally for much less than Newegg's prices.
Optical- 1X IDE Lite-On DVD RW, 1X Sata Lite-On DVD RW (identical other than
interface)
Monitor- Samsung SyncMaster 244T 24"
Sound- Onboard SoundMax HD Audio Dolby 5.1 THX

All in all this system runs FSX pretty well with most eye candy on. I
run with FPS at 25 and it pretty much stays right there with no pausing or
stuttering. I could probably increase that, but 25fps is very smooth for me.
In the extremely dense scenery areas with a lot of air traffic the FPS do
drop down into the *** s but does stay smooth. I might have gone with a
faster processor, but with what I had already spent Mama might not have
reacted well.......:-). This system was a birthday gift so I wasn't going to
push things............
This might give you some idea about what kind of system to look at. You
could go with a single 8800 GTX or maybe two GTS cards in SLI and save some
dollars without impacting performance very much. With a single GTX card you
could drop down to a 500w PSU with no problems as long as it is of good
quality. A smaller monitor would also save a lot but I really love this one
with my older eyes.....:-). Unless you work with very large video files you
could also do without all that storage. With some cutting of some of the
'extra toys' I put in you could probably get the price down into the
$2,500-$2,800 range easily enough without too much loss of performance.

Regards,
Ed