Date Modified changing without changes

Date Modified changing without changes

Post by Mike Sible » Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:29:41


Recently it seems something has caused an undesired change in that if we go
onto the server and open any Word doc, then exit without making any change
(and properly NOT being asked to save any changes as there were none), the
date modified on the document on the server's list of files gets updated.
Is there some setting on either the app or the server that is causing this?

Thanks,
T. Michael Sibley, C.P.A.
Pajares & Schexnaydre, L.L.C.
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Date Modified changing without changes

Post by Daiya Mitc » Fri, 28 Apr 2006 04:08:01

No idea really, but it sounds to me like something on the server. I can't
imagine Word changing the file modification date without recognizing
something as a change.

You might see what happens with Excel documents or other things before
contacting your server experts.

(Now, Word does have a tendency to think a document that you opened and
closed has been changed, sometimes because of updating fields, sometimes
because apparently doing things like word count or printing must leave some
sort of flag in the doc that counts as a change. But in all those cases,
Word asks you to save changes and shows the dot in the close button to
signify an unsaved doc, so that isn't your situation. If anything, the
"unsaved doc" flag is *more* sensitive than it should be, and there are no
preferences to make it less sensitive, as far as I know.)





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Date Modified changing without changes

Post by John McGhi » Fri, 28 Apr 2006 21:14:58

Hi Mike:

Which specific date? There are three "sets" of dates. I think you mean the
"Last Changed" date visible when you list a file in Finder?

The one is written by the server, and you need to ask your network
administrator what is causing the update. It becomes a very complex issue.

When Word "opens" a document on the server, it ALWAYS opens it with an Edit
lock to prevent anyone changing it while you are reading it. If you then
close the document, Word simply discards the copy it is holding and signals
the server to release the lock.

The server should then update its "Last Accessed" field but NOT its "Last
changed" field. Get your administrator to reveal the "Last Accessed" and
Last Changed fields and the user names for both. What you should see is the
Last Accessed field update, and the login name of the user written to the
Last Accessed User field. The Last Changed fields should both be unchanged.

Much depends on the kind of server, the revision level of its operating
system, and the protocol being used to connect to it. Apple recently
released a patch to OS X that may have changed the way your server behaves
when locking and unlocking files.

If you find all that out, and get back to us, I will see if I can find a
server administrator to give you a coherent answer :-)

Cheers


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Date Modified changing without changes

Post by Mike Sible » Thu, 04 May 2006 05:21:39

It was actually the anti-virus software that was scanning it prior to me
opening it that was causing it to have the modified date get changed.
Weird. Those dang anti-virus programs cause more trouble than the viruses
they prevent...


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Date Modified changing without changes

Post by John McGhi » Sat, 06 May 2006 20:30:36

hanks Mike:

That's very interesting :-) Anti-virus software should NOT be performing
any "write" operation on the file :-)

While AV programs (particularly the badly-designed ones...) can be damned
irritating, their shortcomings pale into insignificance when you consider
the effects of having a large corporation off the air for three days after
one of the more lethal of today's viruses gets loose on their server :-)

Cheers


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