American Made Products That Should Be Better Than They Are

American Made Products That Should Be Better Than They Are

Post by Clif » Tue, 04 Aug 2009 22:32:26


On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:39:11 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >



You posted about how great CAMWorks is, remember?
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American Made Products That Should Be Better Than They Are

Post by Clif » Tue, 04 Aug 2009 22:33:14


Ping Phil ....
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American Made Products That Should Be Better Than They Are

Post by Clif » Tue, 04 Aug 2009 22:36:46

On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >



See banquer for the latest ads & confusion !!
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Post by Clif » Tue, 04 Aug 2009 22:42:33

On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >



"Formed in 1989, Dow-United Technologies Composite Products is a manufacturer
of polymer-based composite parts, primarily for the aerospace sector .."

You never worked there & they would not have let you in the door any
more than P&W did.
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Post by Clif » Tue, 04 Aug 2009 22:45:57

On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 03:13:40 -0400, "Ed Huntress" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >



The only one so honored ever I'd wager.
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Post by phil scot » Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:48:23


Very very unfortunately JB is more than slighty correct about a good
bulk of the engineers running loose
today..

..to that end one might refer to the scathing congressional reports on
the two space shuttle disasters...Ive done
a lot of forensic engineering... its a mess... and not isolated to
that business. the USA is now 45th in the
world in math science...it used to be first. whats going on is
ugly.




Maybe 5% of engineers are damn smart. impressive as hell.... 50% are
rolling disasters. The best came up
in the trades while getting a degree in engineering. prime examples
are the billionairs in the semi conductor industry,
and some who founded major aerospace firms, forgot names..but there
are many.. ... General Dynamics founded by the
guy who developed the F-16 fighter jet..or some such... a high school
drop out.. Gates, and Steve Jobs...college drop outs.

Not that I don't value a college education... but my experience in
many subjects was that the basic understandings were missed entirely
by
the clone contingent, who could do the math but never did understand
the broader dynamics... Im damn sure after talking with
you as long as I have that you have seen no shortage of this yourself.

**
Re the faults of others... I dont say much after Ive been though as
much as I have, all the red headed women, really ***
flat track accidents, gun fights, and jerks in the engineering bidness
trying to lie their way out of their crappy engineering fiasco's.


None have any balls... they hunkerr down in der cubicles and lie.
backstab and drool...
JB stands up and kicks ass...thats a good thang in my book
right, wrong or (gasp).... in error. (double gasp)









Phil scott
 
 
 

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Post by clarkmagnu » Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:31:47


> rolling disasters. he best came up >> in the trades while getting a degree in engineering. rime examples >> are the billionairs in the semi conductor industry, >> and some who founded major aerospace firms, orgot names..but there >> are many.. .. General Dynamics founded by the> > guy who developed the F-16 fighter jet..or some such... a high school> > drop out.. Gates, and Steve Jobs...college drop outs.

I agree.
I have an engineering degree, and I can tell that almost all
engineers, myself included, are just running on conditioned responses,
and cannot think.

My father had an EE degree and got dozens of patents doing ME. He said
having no education was a big advantage. He did use the math.
Still, for complicated 3 dimensional hydraulic inventions, he had a
non degree guy that was backing him up.

The best engineers I have seen are the ones that get lots of patents,
but never spent a day in college.
I work with them whenever I can, doing the math for them.
They can actually think.
They always surprise me.

An engineering degree means that a guy can do hellish technical paper
work [I am available].
To find someone who can really think, they need to rise up through the
ranks from the hobby world.
 
 
 

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Post by Calif Bil » Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:03:40


I agree.
I have an engineering degree, and I can tell that almost all
engineers, myself included, are just running on conditioned responses,
and cannot think.

My father had an EE degree and got dozens of patents doing ME. He said
having no education was a big advantage. He did use the math.
Still, for complicated 3 dimensional hydraulic inventions, he had a
non degree guy that was backing him up.

The best engineers I have seen are the ones that get lots of patents,
but never spent a day in college.
I work with them whenever I can, doing the math for them.
They can actually think.
They always surprise me.

An engineering degree means that a guy can do hellish technical paper
work [I am available].
To find someone who can really think, they need to rise up through the
ranks from the hobby world.

Maybe I have a different perspective as I worked with a lot of great
engineers and got my EE degree in Electro-mechanical design while working my
way through college as a mainframe Field Engineer. And grew up in one of
the better machine shops in the San Francisco Bay area. Major problem with
engineers and we could learn from the trades. Assign a new engineer from
university to work with an experience engineer. Most have not worked on
cars or other mechanical devices, especially the EE's. Mechanical
experience seems to lend itself to better engineering as you reason out how
something is going to function. My expertise was in controlling mechanical
devices. Disk Drives and some biomed stuff. I had some brilliant graduate
school engineers work for me over the years. Most could not find an error
in the design after it was built. No troubleshooting skills. And that is
where we lose a lot. Neighbor worked on the Apollo program. He said they
broke a lot of rules to keep on schedule. Pull a board and fix it with a
soldering iron, etc. But most of those engineers had a practical
background. As to our education system, SUCKS. We have dumbed it down big
time. To keep the marginal student in school. I have a high IQ, and was a
bored high school student in the late 1950's. It has to be even worse now
for the smart kid. Bad enough for me, who loved mechanical stuff and they
tried to get the smart kids in to the programs that lead you to a job with
the State Department, or other Liberal Arts type job. There was not gifted
program. And then we killed all the shop classes. At least in California.
The Community and State Colleges campaigned to teach any trades after high
school. Wow, that has really added to the graduation rate of high school.
And we are not teaching much math.
 
 
 

American Made Products That Should Be Better Than They Are

Post by phil scot » Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:44:47

n Aug 3, 10:03m, "Calif Bill" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote:


an interesting response, thanks. I spent about half my earlier
career as a design build contractor, refrig and AC,
then consulting 1983 forward... now I look older than moses so I do
best design building custom packages for
industrial applications. zero competition.

currently the experienced and well educated talent base born in the
late 40's and early 50's is retiring, then
of course dropping deader than hell... that brain trust, 80 million
people will be lost forever and we are
not training replacements... works out for some of us old farts who
want to work to the end though.

its not working out for the nation as a whole though, in a few more
years it will get nasty.


Phil Scott
 
 
 

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Post by phil scot » Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:45:34

n Aug 3, 10:03m, "Calif Bill" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote:

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Post by Clif » Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:37:40


Let us know if jb shows up <G>.
And then when you ban him.
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Post by Gunner Asc » Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:44:41

n Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:44:47 -0700 (PDT), phil scott < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >
wrote:



Its already showing the signs of nasty....and its going to get worse.


 
 
 

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Post by Joe78 » Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:50:09

From Google Groups View Profile next to Cliff:

It says:

"This account has been banned because it violated the Google Groups
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Post by Clif » Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:37:45

On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 06:44:41 -0700, Gunner Asch < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >



They just need some nice pretty white coats for some gibbering
gullible wingers & rethugs.
Who caused the problems in the first place. As always.
Ignorance & stupidity are not always their own cure.
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