Post by Mark » Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:48:20

Not a zealot, just a DBA. It's just software, not the holy grail. Just about
any RDBMS will do the job about 95% of the time.

To be honest, I don't really care about the code base issue. I use Oracle on
Linux, and lately that has been the first Oracle platform released. I would
never have even mentioned the code base issue, but others have brought it up
in a way that seems very inaccurate to me.


Post by Mark Towns » Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:41:05

So if we mention it about Oracle then we are zealouts. If you mention it
about IBM then you are just a DBA. C'est la vie.

BTW - I am an Oracle zealout, and I think Daniel would describe himself
as one as well. I don't think either of us are in denial about it.

The 'code base issue' as you call it is actually very simple.

At Oracle, the database, app server, collaboration suite, enterprise
management tools, and development tools all come from the same group. We
share a common schedule for release. We share the same testing and
porting resources. We co-ordinate release activities across different
products. So the staggered releases that you see are not indicative at
all of different code bases, just pure scheduling decisions, as one
product/port combination 'makes way' for another in the schedule.

So if you believe that this is an issue at Oracle, then you would also
have to concede that it is equally an issue at IBM, gven that the 45
different variants of DB2 branded products are not all available on the
same platforms at the same time. As well as the 7 Informix products. As
well as U2 and Cloudscape. As well as anything put out by the Websphere,
Tivoli and Lotus development groups. But of course, that's not an issue,
right ?



Post by DA Morga » Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:02:04

Your employer has my sympathy. A DBA completely clueless about a product
he is tasked to manage. C'est dommage.
Daniel A. Morgan
(replace x with u to respond)


Post by DA Morga » Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:04:10

You speak wisely.

It might also be noted that both of us are also honest about who we are,
where we work, and what we do as is Serge. We don't hide behind
pseudonyms at nowhere.com.
Daniel A. Morgan
(replace x with u to respond)


Post by Mark » Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:06:59

No, I didn't bring the subject up. Someone else did. I was just tyring to
set the record straight and be accurate.

I don't quite understand. DB2 for z/OS is a different product than DB2 for
LUW, so it doesn't really make a difference if they come out at the same
time for a particular version number, since the version numbers on two
different products are not comparable.

If you are saying that the Oracle tools are tightly integrated into Oracle,
and for IBM they are completely different products, then you have a valid
point there. Of course many people use Websphere for non-DB2 databases, and
like the fact that it is not tightly integrated with DB2.

As I said before, I don't really think the code base stuff is an issue
because Oracle is not a viable option on z/OS for most shops, and Oracle
does not run on AS/400, so the fact that there are different DB2 products
(different code base) for those platforms is irrelevant when comparing to
Oracle. On the platforms that matter (Linux, UNIX, Windows), both Oracle and
DB2 have the same code base.

But as I said, I did not bring up the subject, and most of this code base
stuff is just a bunch marketing BS of the zealots, IMO.


Post by Mark » Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:12:46

Since I am not trying to "sell myself" on the internet as you do, I see no
reason to give you my name or my company, nor to give spammers my email
address. There are a lot of crazy zealots out there who take this stuff too

I do not work for IBM, nor do I have any financial interest in the company.
If this were a moderated site, I would provide more information than I do on


Post by DA Morga » Wed, 30 Nov 2005 01:02:44

Daniel A. Morgan
(replace x with u to respond)


Post by Frank van » Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:53:45

Then how come you know the code?

Frank van Bortel

Top-posting is one way to shut me up...