printable fraction symbols - sheesh, VERY hard to find, any workarounds?

printable fraction symbols - sheesh, VERY hard to find, any workarounds?

Post by dave » Tue, 15 Mar 2005 02:21:22


very limited budget here, but need to print some labels for old plastic
screw jars, in some easily legible font, printed out 'pretty dang
large', so that the result is approx 80 point size, or roughly 1 and 1/2
inches tall. can't seem to find ANY free fonts that include fractions
(1/16 to 15/16ths, by the six *** ths, eg: 1/16, 1/8, 3/16, etc). for all
I know, though, they may already reside on my machine...

I'm on an XP home box here, can't even figure out how to even TELL if my
fonts "in the machine" include fractions or not. also have an old
laserjet IV (with maxed our RAM, and postscript chip too) with the
following 'plug in' type font cartridges (none of which I've never used):
- tax 1, by HP
- 25 in One!III, by pacific data, and
- math elite, by HP
<no clue what's on any of 'em>

any way I can accomplish my goal with what I've got? alternately, how
about using irfanview and pixel by pixel hand-editing? can I save the
result as a ttf file? I see no 'lite cost' versions of type design
softwares exist, and fotographer/fontlab etc, even VERY old versions,
aren't being sold on ebay...am I gonna have to use the 'handwritten
sanford marker' approach? I'd kind of like a fraction that has a
horizontal, or 'near horizontal' line between the numerator and
denominator, instead of the 'very slanty' window forward slash (or
whatever it's called) key ///, more like the -- dash key. wife has word
and 'office' on her new dell, and I have wordperfect 10 2002, or
something like that, if it helps any...plus I got my super-slow antique
mac, running OS9 (painful to boot, very very slow)

anyone know if the laserjet 'font cartridges' contain 'expert sets' of
fonts, and, if so, would those fonts in*clude or ex*clude the fractions
I need? I've found that the spaces involved when I print out like 15/16
make it look sorta' "big time lousy" in larger point sizes.

thanks for kerning me in some, and giving me hints, if it's doable :-)

tool
 
 
 

printable fraction symbols - sheesh, VERY hard to find, any workarounds?

Post by Jukka K. K » Tue, 15 Mar 2005 05:06:27


That's not surprising, since such fractions do not exist as
_characters_ even in Unicode, except for 1/8 (which is U+215B).
This does not exclude the possibility of the existence of glyphs
but makes it fairly improbable.


It depends on which software you are using. Maybe you could use some
formula editor or some styling options to make a sequence like 1/16
appear typographically in a fraction-like manner.

In theory, if you use the Unicode character U+2044 FRACTION SLASH when
writing a fraction, instead of the common solidus (slash) character,
programs might be expected to render the expression as a fraction if it
can. However, few programs can do such things.

--
Yucca, http://www.yqcomputer.com/ ~jkorpela/

 
 
 

printable fraction symbols - sheesh, VERY hard to find, any workarounds?

Post by Jukka K. K » Tue, 15 Mar 2005 05:20:44


Using MS Word, you could even use the more primitive built-in tools, if
a presentation with a horizontal line is desirable. Something like the
following (though I'm not sure of all the commands in Word, since I'm
back-translating them into English):
Select Insert/Field, then category "Equations and formulas", field
"Eq", then type
EQ \F(1;16)
into the text box, and you should get 1 over 16 in a two-dimensional
setting.

--
Yucca, http://www.yqcomputer.com/ ~jkorpela/
 
 
 

printable fraction symbols - sheesh, VERY hard to find, any workarounds?

Post by Characte » Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:53:01

There are many free (or abandonware) fraction fonts available. Some
just have lots of fractions, others let you create your own on the fly.

One TmsFraction, is available at
http://www.yqcomputer.com/

There are sets originally from SSI/SSK made to match various fontstyles.
WHile hard to find on the web, and impossible to post in this
non-binaries group, a request in alt.binaries.fonts would probably be
fruitful.

- Character
 
 
 


printable fraction symbols - sheesh, VERY hard to find, any workarounds?

Post by Andreas Pr » Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:14:03


One of the many advantages of the metric system:
You do not need such fractions.
http://www.yqcomputer.com/
http://www.yqcomputer.com/

Get rid of inches!

--
Top-posting.
What's the most irritating thing on Usenet?
 
 
 

printable fraction symbols - sheesh, VERY hard to find, any workarounds?

Post by Characte » Wed, 16 Mar 2005 03:13:15


Maybe for measuring, but for precision, you can't get rid of fractions.
1/3 cannot be represented precisely in decimal notation. (I know, you
can do it close enough).

But you knew that!

- Characte
 
 
 

printable fraction symbols - sheesh, VERY hard to find, any workarounds?

Post by Andreas Pr » Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:31:07


But you don't normally use "1/3 inch". As far as the fraction 1/3
is concerned, there is no difference between inches and millimetres.
With inches, you normally use the fractions 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, etc.

What's easier:
3/8 inch + 7/16 inch
9.5 mm + 11 mm
 
 
 

printable fraction symbols - sheesh, VERY hard to find, any workarounds?

Post by Characte » Thu, 17 Mar 2005 03:13:11


Right. That's why I agreed with you 100% for measurements.



I was most definitely not arguing against metrics - it's the ONLY way to
go. I was only saying that decimal notation isn't always optimal.

- Character
 
 
 

printable fraction symbols - sheesh, VERY hard to find, any workarounds?

Post by Alan J. Fl » Thu, 17 Mar 2005 03:18:06


So write ternary notation ;-) or whichever number-base your fractions
need. SCNR.
 
 
 

printable fraction symbols - sheesh, VERY hard to find, any workarounds?

Post by Characte » Thu, 17 Mar 2005 03:28:47


Good thought! :)

0 1 2 10 11 12 20 21 22 100 101 102 110 ...
 
 
 

printable fraction symbols - sheesh, VERY hard to find, any workarounds?

Post by Alan J. Fl » Thu, 17 Mar 2005 04:29:06


Since we were doing fractions, I was concentrating more on
ternary fractions, as in:

0.1 = 1/3
0.2 = 2/3

0.01 = 1/9, 0.001 = 1/27, and so on.

Or the equivalent for any other denominator that appeals to you.

Historical note (courtesy of Google):
http://www.yqcomputer.com/

I'm sorry, that is almost entirely off topic. But we were told in
undergrad lectures that one individual, in an earlier time, devoted
some years to the publication of duodecimal logarithms, for which he
needed glyphs to represent the digits 10 and 11. So there is a vague
relevance to fonts ;-)
 
 
 

printable fraction symbols - sheesh, VERY hard to find, any workarounds?

Post by RSD9 » Thu, 17 Mar 2005 05:14:30

Look around for the fonts 'Sans Fraction' and 'Serif Fraction.'

If you use the right search engine ... you might find

(For the Macintosh)
http://www.yqcomputer.com/

(For both the Mac and the PC)
http://www.yqcomputer.com/
 
 
 

printable fraction symbols - sheesh, VERY hard to find, any workarounds?

Post by Andreas He » Thu, 17 Mar 2005 05:39:04

"Alan J. Flavell" wrote


A pity our species wasn't born with 6 fingers on each hand ;-)

Andreas
 
 
 

printable fraction symbols - sheesh, VERY hard to find, any workarounds?

Post by Ian Wilso » Sun, 20 Mar 2005 03:25:10

ave wrote:

Aha .. postscript.

Program 8 in the "Blue Book" is "Setting Fractions.

Just for fun, cut the following, paste it into notepad and save as
fractions.ps, finally open a Command Prompt window and type "type
fractions.ps > LPT1:"

-------------- SNIP ----------------------------------------------------
%!PS-Adobe-2.0
%%Title: Blue Book Program 8, on page 161
%%Creator: Adobe Systems Incorporated
%%CreationDate: Thu Dec 28 13:30:57 PST 1989
%%EndComments

/fractiondict 5 dict def
/fractionshow
{ fractiondict begin
/denominator exch def
/numerator exch def

/regularfont currentfont def
/fractionfont currentfont [.65 0 0 .6 0 0]
makefont def

gsave
newpath
0 0 moveto
(1) true charpath
flattenpath pathbbox
/height exch def pop pop pop
grestore

0 .4 height mul rmoveto

fractionfont setfont numerator show
0 .4 height mul neg rmoveto
regularfont setfont (\244) show

fractionfont setfont denominator show
regularfont setfont
end
} def

/Times-Roman findfont 300 scalefont setfont
100 72 moveto
(7) (8) fractionshow

/Times-Roman findfont 18 scalefont setfont
72 550 moveto
(Slowly stir in 5) show
(1) (2) fractionshow
( lbs. of chocolate and then blend on high.) show

/Times-Roman findfont 40 scalefont setfont
420 650 moveto
(13) (22) fractionshow
100 450 moveto
(3) (4) fractionshow

showpage
-------------- SNIP ----------------------------------------------------
Above clearly (C) Adobe