Mass Converting PM 6.5 docs to 7.0?

Mass Converting PM 6.5 docs to 7.0?

Post by Bill Evan » Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:16:25


The way that PM 7.0 'natively' supports PM 6.5 files is limited, at best.
Why can't they grasp any sort of understanding of file maintenance? Taking
a P65 file and calling it "Untitled-1.PMD" is almost useless.

I've already found and read the saga of the Adobe plug-in converter that at
first "did" P65 files by deleting them, and then dropped that capability.

I did do a manual renaming (at DOS) of my 175 or so P65 files to PMD files,
and now they all open and retain their file names, but it appears to me as
if some of the formatting was lost on these documents.

I have backup copies of all of the P65 files if anyone has a suggestion.


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Mass Converting PM 6.5 docs to 7.0?

Post by Dick Margu » Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:58:18


Bill,

How are you opening the PMDs? Are you double-clicking in Explorer or are
you using PM's File > Open function? The latter is the only safe way to
open a publication and retain things like printer settings, in my
experience. If you are opening from Explorer, that may explain your
difficulties.

Also, it's important to ensure that all the expected resources and
extras, etc., are in the PM7 folder hierarchy. It may be that you
installed stuff in the P65 folder hierarchy and forgot to copy it or
install it under PM7 (PPD files, scripts, whatever).

Finally, do upgrade to the latest patch version of PM7, as that may
solve any remaining problems.

Dick

 
 
 

Mass Converting PM 6.5 docs to 7.0?

Post by Bob Levin » Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:44:59


The original publication converter did delete the original P65
documents. There was an update that allows you to save the old files, too.

Download it here:

http://www.yqcomputer.com/

Bob
 
 
 

Mass Converting PM 6.5 docs to 7.0?

Post by Bob Levin » Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:47:12


Actually, after re-reading your post, I think you're simply better off
with the re-naming scheme.

Bob
 
 
 

Mass Converting PM 6.5 docs to 7.0?

Post by Bill Evan » Tue, 31 Aug 2004 07:43:03


best.
Taking
at
capability.
files,
as

You can't be serious!

I've been opening them by double-clicking on them in the "My Documents"
folder, and on opening each one it says "The printer this document was
formatted for is not available".

I understand that, but wish it wouldn't make me go through that with each
doc.

Secondly, after the opening message about the printer, it appeared to me as
if all of the text had been reset to 12 point Arial or something basic like
that. I couldn't be sure of that, because I was doing it on a lady's
computer and I was in a hurry to get out of there it being Friday afternoon.
:-)

I am anticipating her call tomorrow morning, though. Would it have reset the
fonts because it didn't know what print engine it was formatting the doc
for?


Thanks for the response.



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Post by Bob Levin » Tue, 31 Aug 2004 07:50:01


It wouldn't change the fonts unless the font the doc was looking for
wasn't available. But you'd get a warning first.

However, the compose to printer is important and if you change that, you
could get some serious text reflow.

Bob
 
 
 

Mass Converting PM 6.5 docs to 7.0?

Post by Bill Evan » Tue, 31 Aug 2004 08:08:20


as
like
afternoon.
the


I was in a hurry, so I can't say for sure either way what if any message it
might have given me about the fonts.

Is this problem as simple as just installing ATM? This is a new Win XP box,
and it won't have any of the Adobe Postscript fonts, and I'm sure the lady
won't know what I'm talking about regarding ATM and Postscript fonts.




Thanks again.



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Mass Converting PM 6.5 docs to 7.0?

Post by Bill Evan » Tue, 31 Aug 2004 08:09:27


best.
capability.
suggestion.
too.


There's something to be said for a simple REN *.P65 *.PMD.



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Mass Converting PM 6.5 docs to 7.0?

Post by Dick Margu » Tue, 31 Aug 2004 08:16:16


Bob Levine wrote:


Good point. The Compose To printer info can be lost if you open by
double-clicking. Further, if the only installed printer is, say, a dot
matrix (hard to believe but possible), or if one or more important
components--such as ATM or Distiller or the default fonts--wasn't
installed (because of not scrolling down through the optional
installation listing in the install wizard), or if ATM is disabled, or
if you are looking at the story editor view instead of the page layout
view, or for a dozen other reasons all stemming from a misalignment
between Adobe's assumptions and your understanding of those assumptions,
the symptoms Bill reports could occur.

So, Bill, your initial post indicated you have some experience with
PageMaker, which would lead someone to believe that you've at least
encountered some of these issues before. But your last post suggests
that a lot of this is news to you (it was just meant as a reminder, not
a revelation). And now you've introduced the complication that you're
talking about two different computers, without telling us if you also
installed all the needed fonts--plus any other linked files--on the
second computer.

Tell us more about your level of experience/expertise and more about the
two-computer situation. Who installed PM7 on the second computer, for
instance, you or the "lady"?


 
 
 

Mass Converting PM 6.5 docs to 7.0?

Post by Dick Margu » Tue, 31 Aug 2004 08:17:16


Yes, I agree with that. My focus was only on the way you then opened the
resulting files.
 
 
 

Mass Converting PM 6.5 docs to 7.0?

Post by Bob Levin » Tue, 31 Aug 2004 08:49:36


No need for ATM on WinXP unless you're using multiple master fonts. In
fact, installing the wrong version can really hose the operating
system's ability to handle fonts.

Bob
 
 
 

Mass Converting PM 6.5 docs to 7.0?

Post by Bill Evan » Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:44:36


I have ZERO experience with Pagemaker, I'm just helping out these two users
that have very little computer knowledge but a couple-three years experience
using Pagemaker.

If my first post sounded like I knew what I was talking about regarding
Pagemaker, I apologize. I have lots of experience consulting, programming,
and supporting DOS/Windows. I was just trying to frame the question
correctly based on what I knew from messing around with it for less than an
hour.

Situation: Two computer users. Both using Win 98 SE and Pagemaker 6.5 on a
three node computer network.

The network has a Canon ImageRunner2050 on the server. It has a genuine
dedicated server, but that's neither here nor there.

Both users had a local printer on their system that was the default, one a
HP Inkjet and one maybe a Canon or whatever, I can't remember it right now.

They called me to come back up all their docs and move the old computers off
their desks, open boxes with new Dells running Win XP, install apps, and put
the docs back where they were.

When I installed Pagemaker, I installed 7.01 instead of 6.5. I also set up
the Canon IR 2050 as their default.

Then I tried to open those P65 files with 7.01, and got the error message
about the printer, which brings me to where I posted my initial post.



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Mass Converting PM 6.5 docs to 7.0?

Post by Dick Margu » Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:44:40


Bill Evans wrote:



Okay, that clarifies the picture.

Your incredulity when I explained that files need to be opened from the
File > Open dialog is understandable. What you have to understand is
that PM predates Windows and it has its own peculiar set of conventions
outside of Windows standards.

Your users, if they have done a bit of PageMaker homework over the last
couple or three years rather than just starting the program and
proceeding to type, are in a better position to fix the problems right
now than you're in.

The first thing you can fix is to reinstall PageMaker (you shouldn't
need to uninstall it) and ensure, when you get to the wizard panel that
asks you to select optional components, that you (a) scroll down through
the whole list, (b) inspect the optional sub-components where they
exist, and (c) consult with your users on any items that are unfamiliar
to you.

The second thing to check is that you installed all the necessary fonts
in the expected location or locations.

The third thing to check is that you brought over all linked files
(images as well as text files) needed for the publications. PageMaker
does not store everything in one file. Well, it can be forced to, but
this is bad practice and not the default behavior.

Now close PageMaker. If the IR 2050 is a PostScript printer (I assume),
you need to obtain the PPD file from the manufacturer or from the
installation CD that came with the printer and install this PPD in two
places: (1) the same directory where Windows stores other PPDs--do a
Find Files to figure out where that is--and (2) the PageMaker
7.0\RSRC\USENGLSH\PPD4 directory.

Next, start PageMaker but do NOT open a publication (new or otherwise).
go to File > Document Setup and set the Compose To printer to the IR 2050.

If you still have problems after going through those steps, write again.


 
 
 

Mass Converting PM 6.5 docs to 7.0?

Post by Bill Evan » Fri, 03 Sep 2004 14:19:06


Dick,

1) Upon further review, it appears that the font problems were either all
due to fonts not being installed on the new computer, or view issues. For
example, I might have been viewing the doc on the new computer in design or
page layout mode (not sure of the exact terms) or at a different zoom level,
and to my untrained-in-Pagemaker eye I thought they were different when in
fact they were still the same if all of the fonts were installed.

2) I tried the suggestion above, as that seemed as if it would hopefully
globally change the File > Document Setup > Compose To, but it still asked
for the old default printer which was a HP InkJet 720C (or something like
that) when I would open one of the old documents.







Gordon,

Both computers had local printers installed that I've already moved to the
new computers. I believe they were both set as the default printer instead
of the Canon IR 2050 on the network.

I'll try changing the default printer on those computers back to the local
printer, and make sure the string that those local printers are named
exactly matches the old string.

Will let everyone know how it works.

Thanks to you, *** , and Bob for all the help!!!


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Mass Converting PM 6.5 docs to 7.0?

Post by Bill Evan » Tue, 07 Sep 2004 22:05:14


instead


Gordon,

That fixed it! Now it never tells the user that it's having to format the
document for a new printer.

About ten percent of her documents were still telling me that the system
didn't have font Doppelganger (or whatever) and that it was going to make do
with what it had, but I'm going to let her deal with that.



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