Pagemaker 6.5 file

Pagemaker 6.5 file

Post by SallyP63 » Tue, 10 Apr 2007 01:52:07


Hi All,

I have a (264 page, 474 - 4color photo) cookbook project in Pagemaker
6.5 on my old mac 8500 running system 9.1... I'm wondering if I can
install pagemaker 6.5 on a newer mac and also transfer my system fonts
& font suitcases to a newer machine.. I guess the question would be..
"will PM 6.5 install and run on an intel based mac?" and "what is the
best way for me to bring this project up to date with the least amount
of heartache and expense?.. (purchasing and transfering new fonts/
software, etc.)"

I was thinking of picking up a G4 mac that boots in 9.x and
transfering it to that, but if I can move it to the Intel machine now,
I may do it now and save myself aggrivation later on..

Thanks in advance for any help...

wondering again..
sally~
 
 
 

Pagemaker 6.5 file

Post by Bob Levin » Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:42:37


Short answer...no.

PM has to run in classic which is incompatible with Mactels. Keep the
old machine for PM use and move on up to InDesign if you buy a new
machine. Upgrade to CS3 is only $199.00

Bob

 
 
 

Pagemaker 6.5 file

Post by Helpful Ha » Tue, 10 Apr 2007 05:53:17

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,



Yes and no.

A. PageMaker 7 will run under Mac OS 9 without any real problems.
I'm not sure if there are any hiccups when using version 6.5
though.

B. PageMaker 7 will run under the Classic environment of Mac OS X
on G4 and G4 Macs ... sort of. It does suffer from a few hiccups
which are annoying.

C. PageMaker will NOT run on the newer Intel-based Macs at all since
they can not use Classic. (Technically you may be able to do so
via freeware / shareware emulation, but it's not really worth the
hassle of setting it up.) For Intel-Macs you have to change to
using InDesign, which can open PageMaker 7 files (I'm not sure
about PageMaker 6.5), but they will need some tweaking since
InDesign and Mac OS X use a different font system that causes
text to shift - mostly fixed by lowering the line spacing /
leading. Some fonts may not be included by the default Mac OS X,
so you may have to use another font or buy new versions of the
missing fonts.

You might be better off perhaps keeping the PowerMac 8500 for running
PageMaker, and getting a new Intel Mac with InDesign. That way you can
still use the old files while learning the new system.



Helpful Harry
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Pagemaker 6.5 file

Post by Elmo P. Sh » Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:12:11

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,



No. If you stay with Macintosh, you'll need a G5, G4, G3, or other PPC
machine. If your PPC machine is running OS X, that machine will also
have to have OS9 installed as well as Classic to run it.

And even then, PM won't run great...



At this point, you should think about re-doing it.

But you should try your damnedest to get this project off of a
Macintosh. You should try to find a Windows machine you can install
Pagemaker and your fonts onto. PM for Windows will continue to run
much, much longer than PM for Macintosh, given that it won't run on
Intel based Macs.

Seriously, take the time to re-do this project.
 
 
 

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Post by Helpful Ha » Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:37:08

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, "Elmo


<snip>

PageMaker is now a dead product, so buying a Windows PC and finding a
copy of Windows PageMaker to run on it is really just a waste of time
and money. :o(

Personally I wouldn't bother with a second-hand Mac either. Just get a
new Intel iMac and InDesign ... or if it's a simply "in-house" document
(ie. never going to a professional print company) then you could use
Pages instead, but that would require re-creating the entire document
whereas InDesign would only need some tweaking. Both would require some
learning of new techniques.

Helpful Harry
Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)
 
 
 

Pagemaker 6.5 file

Post by Bob Levin » Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:00:15


And its performance on Vista is certainly no slam dunk.


IME, opening PM files in ID is a lot less stellar than Quark files. PM's
way of handling things without frames and the completely different text
engine can leave you with files that are practically unusable.

Bob
 
 
 

Pagemaker 6.5 file

Post by Helmut P. » Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:06:50

Bob Levine beliebte zu schreiben :


IME, it depends a lot on the PM files.

If they are pretty straightforward, i.e., using *no* frames and doing no
or only little fancy stuff, the conversion -- at least to ID2 on a PC --
is pretty straightforward. The resulting file *does* need a little
tweaking, but that's no great problem.

The more gadgets the PM layout uses, the more trouble the conversion
makes. However, *if* one chooses to step up to InDesign, it is something
worth trying -- on a *copy* of the PM file, that is. If it works --
fine; if it doesn't -- well, you wanted to redo the whole file anyway,
didn't you?

Helmut
--
Nach dera Zei'n kimmt nix mehr
 
 
 

Pagemaker 6.5 file

Post by Helpful Ha » Wed, 11 Apr 2007 05:45:00

In article <461a7f10$0$25617$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,



Works weell (so far) on the Mac too, although I've never used frames in
PageMaker anyway because I hate them and is one of the big
disappointments of InDesign that you HAVE to use them.




InDesign "converts" the file, so you are working on a copy anyway ...
unless you're silly enough to save the new document using the exact
same filename.

Helpful Harry
Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)
 
 
 

Pagemaker 6.5 file

Post by Bob Levin » Wed, 11 Apr 2007 05:49:19


ID automatically adds the INDD file extension. You'd have to be a
complete idiot to overwrite a PM file with an InDesign file. In fact, if
you managed to do it, you shouldn't be anywhere near a computer anyway. <g>

Bob
 
 
 

Pagemaker 6.5 file

Post by Helpful Ha » Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:18:44

In article <jFxSh.7759$Cl.4968@trndny08>, Bob Levine




True, that's why I said "exact" filename. :o)

BUT there is no need for filename extensions under the Mac's old OS9,
so it's a lot easier to use the same filename by mistake. I've never
actually noticed whether or not my version still adds the ".indd"
extension by default or not (there might be an option to turn off
adding it).

Helpful Harry
Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)
 
 
 

Pagemaker 6.5 file

Post by Bob Levin » Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:27:48


There's no option to turn it off. You'd have to delete it manually and
to do so would be a bit foolish, IMO.

While I don't pretend to be a Mac expert, OSX is a completely different
animal from OS9 and file extensions are a part of that.

Bob
 
 
 

Pagemaker 6.5 file

Post by Helpful Ha » Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:11:21

In article <ohMSh.10053$eC.4938@trndny03>, Bob Levine






Yep, the filename extensions are needed by both Windows and Mac OS X.
Well, they're supposedly needed by Mac OS X, but if you plug in an old
Mac OS 9 drive or a CD burnt under Mac OS 9, then Mac OS X does still
recognise the file types without needing the extension (assuming you
have the appropriate application).

They've never been needed by Mac OS 9 and earlier though. I checked my
version of InDesign (running under Mac OS 9) and it doesn't
automatically add any filename extension and there's no preference /
option to add or not. If you want ".indd" then you have to type it in
manually as part of the filename.


Helpful Harry
Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)
 
 
 

Pagemaker 6.5 file

Post by Bob Levin » Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:16:59


That's one old version of InDesign if it's running on OS9. I don't think
anything after 2.0 will run on it. CS3 is another giant leap.

Bob
 
 
 

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Post by Helpful Ha » Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:44:23

In article <%k4Th.17915$hb3.5943@trndny01>, Bob Levine




Yep, it is InDesign 2 - I got it very cheap at an auction when they
were selling off old stock after releasing the newer version. I've had
it a little while now. :o)

One of the places I do work for has got a newer version running under
Mac OS X, but apart from annoyingly moving many of the buttons /
functions I don't notice that much difference with the "everyday"
stuff. That version almost certainly does automatically add the ".indd"
filename extension.

Helpful Harry
Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)
 
 
 

Pagemaker 6.5 file

Post by SallyP63 » Sun, 22 Apr 2007 08:13:20

On Apr 11, 4:44 pm, Helpful Harry < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >





Ok, we got off the subject of the original question a bit.. lol..

Here's my question now.. I have someone who loan me a Mirror Drive
Door G4 dual 1.25 with 2 gigs of ram... and 2 hard drives.. More then
i'll ever need for this project... She says it boots into either OS X
4.8 or OS 9.2.2.. I'm clueless.. I need to know if PM 6.5 will run on
this machine.. (I still have the original installation CD) and/or if I
can just hook up an ethernet crossover cable and drag my apps/fonts/
extentions/files over to it and go..? Or possibly install another hard
drive and copy/drag her OS 9.2.2, then my stuff over to that one, so
as not to use her drive..

As always, thanks in advance for any help or suggestions,

sally~