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Post by Dick Margu » Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:23:28

Generally speaking, PM does not support JPEGs. If you open your JPEGs in
an image program that lets you resave them as TIFFs, you'll have more
reliable results.

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Post by Pixmake » Sat, 11 Feb 2006 02:11:48

Although I'm a newbie in this forum, I've been using Pagemaker 6.5 for
quite a while now. But. . . not as a graphic designer. . . rather as a
photographer doing composite layouts. So, my skills are limited.

From time to time, I need to place a series of portrait photos (all
JPEGS) into a PM template I've created... about 16 images per page.
Recently, I pulled a year-old CD holding some of these images and
tried to create the composite pages but got the error message "Cannot
place this file. File contains invalid data."

I've thought that maybe the files were read-only and that was a
problem. Chaged the properties to Archive and still no luck.

Strangely, this problem seems to pop up randomly. Some files place
with no difficulty, others produce the message,

Any help or clarification or insight will be greatly appreciated.

Pixmaker inFLL
It's not the heat, it's the humidity!
(Think the humidity's bad?
You should watch us vote!)


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Post by Helpful Ha » Sat, 11 Feb 2006 04:51:49

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, *** Margulis

Yep, change them to TIFF images (preferably withOUT compression) and
PageMaker will be happier.

Various image manipulation applications should be able to do that, but
if you're using a Mac, then GraphicConverter is great, inexpensive and
has a trial version you can download from

since it's only some of the images that don't work, you may have a bad
CD, in which case nothing may be able to open / rescue those images.
Despite many claims, CDs are not the "best thing since sliced bread"
for archiving purposes, especially the cheaper CD-R and CD-RW discs
that use cheap dyes that fade away.

Hopefully that's not the cause of your problem.

Helpful Harry
Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)

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Post by jay Chevak » Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:20:16

I used eps (tiff preview Binary compression) with Pagemaker to bypass
it's horrible colormanglement system. With indesign I use tiffs. Stay
away from jpgs, they destroy image quality with every save.

What probably happened is that you saved the jpg as a progressive jpg
(or maybe it is 16 bit).

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Post by Dick Margu » Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:44:03

It's not really that, nor is it that JPEG is lossy and TIFF is lossless.
The real story is that the PageMaker kernel predates the existence of
JPEG. PageMaker was developed by a company that no longer exists and
then sold to Adobe. Adobe, in the course of upgrading the software for
new releases, did as little mucking around in the kernel as they could
manage, given that they were a new team trying to decipher code written
according to older programming methodologies. It was just a matter of
"if it ain't broke don't fix it."

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Post by Pixmake » Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:21:45

Many thanks guys!

Yes, it appears that PM truly hates JPEG's. Simply saving these image
files as TIFF's did the job and I'll do that in the future. I have
searched through several manuals and never found a statement like,
"don't use jpeg formats, Pagemaker hates them!" It's sort of like the
old story about, "hydrochloric acid will eat the hell out of your
pipes!" <G>

Yes, I understand the lossy compression algorithm used by JPEG and I'm
very cautious with my work in that respect.

I use JPEG's because they're fast and a lot smaller file size than
TIFF. And there's no denying the lossless TIFF for extensive image
manipulation. But for catalog work and other efforts intended for
press operations, the JPEG saves me a lot of time and file space.

For really important stuff, I shoot in RAW mode. . . but that's
another story altogether.

Many thanks!

Pixmaker inFLL
It's not the heat, it's the humidity!
(Think the humidity's bad?
You should watch us vote!)

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Post by Tony » Sun, 05 Mar 2006 00:49:24

I was about to post a similar item when I came across this.
Specific problem: I wanted to include the image of a mobile phone in a
publication and was given a little card with a very good image of the phone.
I scanned this into PM (7.0), cropped and printed. Very good result in terms
of the phone, but he background of the white card still showed slightly. I
then physically cut the white surround of the phone, scanned again, cropped
and printed.
Better result but here was still the hint of the rectangle around the phone.
After reading this, I photographed the phone cut-out with white paper as
background. I then converted to tiff following reading this post, cropped
but got a worse result.
Question: In PM I have the "rectangle" in which the phone image resides. Is
there anyway in PM that I can work round the image to clear round the edge
of the image so that NOTHING else shows.
I am of course aware that Packages like Adobe Photoshop can do these things,
but even if I could afford it, the learning curve is too great for
occasional use.

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Post by Helpful Ha » Wed, 08 Mar 2006 14:14:34

In article <44086582$0$29578$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, "TonyK"

There's two ways around the "white rectangle" problem, but neither are
in PageMaker itself.

A. Fill the white area of the image with the background colour in
your image editing application. Make sure to also save a small
image of just the background colour which you can Place and use
to stretch over the entire page in PageMaker - often colours
defined in PageMaker differ from those in images.

B. Save the image as an EPS file and Place that instead.

Sometimes you can rotate an image by 0.01degrees and the white
background disappears, but although it may work on your desktop printer
this "trick" isn't a very good idea if the final document is going to a
professional print company.

As an aside, always use only TIFF or EPS images in PageMaker - don't
use JPEG, GIF, BMP, etc. image files. Also always Place images, don't
copy them from another application and paste them into PageMaker. Doing
either of these the "wrong" way can result in bad looking images.

Helpful Harry
Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)

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Post by Tony » Sat, 11 Mar 2006 23:07:27

I like the EPS idea. As luck would have it the package I use (Irfanview)
gives many formats for saving but EPS isn't among them. I will look
Many thanks.