NEWBIE - CEDIA EXPO

NEWBIE - CEDIA EXPO

Post by TEMP » Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:13:18


I'm a newbie into the field of home automation/systems integration. I'm
going to attend the boot camp at the Cedia expo to get my feet wet and was
wondering if anyone had any other suggestions for education and training
either at the Cedia Expo or any of the other hometech events in the coming
year. I have technical background and have been IT director for a small
firm for the last 5 years. Any and all help or advice would be greatly
appreciated.
 
 
 

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Post by Robert L. » Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:56:33

> I'm a newbie into the field of home automation/systems

Welcome to CHA. You can learn a lot right here in the newsgroup. I found
CEDIA bootcamp boring (extremely basic stuff) but when I attended I already
had many years in the trade. There are numerous free seminars from
manufacturers. While these are somewhat sales oriented, they can still
prove helpful, especially if you're new to the trade.

Scratch the two "keynote" addresses and the special dinners. Here are a few
that you'll probably find interesting:

HOMESEER TECHNOLOGIES LLC: Inside HomeSeer for the Professional Installer
THX LTD.: New THX System Recommendations
CENTRALITE SYSTEMS, INC.: Introduction to Centralite CL-24
GE SECURITY: Smart ConnectionCenter Products
SPAUN / USA: Satelite Distribution Systems - Products & Design
HAI (HOME AUTOMATION, INC.): Automation Simplified
ON-Q HOME: Lighting Applications
ON-Q HOME: Audio Applications
RUSSOUND: Russound R-NET Enabled Product Training

In addition to CEDIA, be sure to attend EH Expo and at least consider doing
the ISC (security) show.

Best of luck,
Robert

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Post by Eric » Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:41:16

hanks for the info. I will be attending the EH Expo in November. I
figured I was better off attending the free manufacturer seminars than the
Cedia ones where you shell $500 a pop. What about the Crestron and Lutron
seminars? I know the Crestron system is pretty in-depth but would it be a
helpful skill to have and I know the Lutron lighting control system is
popular with high end homebuilders as is the Crestron system. Also, is it
worth it for me to become a Cedia certified installer? Most of the
integration companies here in Los Angeles have at least one certified member
aboard. Thanks for your input.

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Post by Robert L. » Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:14:35

he only reason I didn't recommend the Crestron seminar is you said you're a
newbie. Their stuff is powerful but it's also expensive enough that unless
you go to work for one of their dealers you're unlikely to be servicing it
any time soon. If you do join a Crestron dealer they will provide whatever
training you need on the job, at seminars or both.

I didn't recommend Lutron because I don't like the company or the product.
:^)

If you ever go to EH Expo in Orlando give me a shout. I'm always up for
coffee with folks met from the newsgroup. I know some great restaurants in
Orlando too. I'm undecided about attending CEDIA this fall. It really
depends on whether I go to Brazil in August. I don't like to spend so much
time away from the office.

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Regards,
Robert

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Post by rednel » Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:02:26

t is best to get some experience in the field but learning AMX or Crestron
is pretty good stuff for a resume. I am less than two years in commercial
design/install and service/repair and I have already become Netlinx
Certified and it has opened up my options quite a bit. Plus AMX is some
pretty damn cool stuff. Working on learning Creston.. Good Luck


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Post by Eric » Fri, 30 Jul 2004 03:04:23

hanks for the advice. Since you've been in the field less than 2 years is
there anything you would have done differently to start out? Or advice you
give me on training in general. Can I ask what your background is?

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Post by Robert L. » Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:25:14

> ...is there anything you would

There was no Internet when I started but if I were starting fresh right now
I'd definitely build a website along with the installing business. For the
first several years my brick and mortar alarm company barely made me enough
to support my family. I was charging very little for my time until I took
advice customer who said "If you charge too little people will think you're
not worth much." I raised my rates to what most of the competition were
charging and sales actually increased.

Several years later I decided to try yellow pages advertising. A small "in
column" ad brought almost nothing. The next year I went to a quarter page
and the ad brought in sales of about 20 times what I spent on it. A year
after that I went to a half page. Sales continued to grow. Gradually we
built up enough of a client base that referrals were keeping me too busy to
need the YP ads. I eventually dropped the ad and sales stayed the same.


Besides seminars you can also join your state chapter of the National
Burglar and Fire Alarm Association http://www.yqcomputer.com/ . They offer classes
for new technicians which you may find helpful.


27+ Years in the alarm industry.

Alarm and Home Automation System FAQ
http://www.yqcomputer.com/

Regards,
Robert

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877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
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941-232-0791 Wireless
Nextel Private ID - 161*21755*1
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Post by Frank Olso » Mon, 02 Aug 2004 09:18:47


Let's see... You received your Connecticut L-6 in 1983... your L-5 in
1989... Opened your online store in 1996 and moved to Florida on 1999... I
see 20 years tops "in the alarm industry", 16 years "in the trade" (with
your participation in USENET that number's probably around 12)... Where do
you get "27+"??

Frank Olson
http://www.yqcomputer.com/
 
 
 

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Post by Bruce » Mon, 02 Aug 2004 16:32:31

Who on earth, other than you, could possibly care whether a man has 20
or 27 years of experience? It's obvious that it's his carreer.

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Post by B Fuhrman » Mon, 02 Aug 2004 21:34:30

Frank only purpose for being in this group appears to be support for the
dishonest "professionals" that continually send messages to disrupt this
group.

Look through his messages and try to find the few where he trys to actually
post useful information compared to the vast majority where he is trashing
ONE person.

He has stated that he is here because he did not like some of the
information (because he felt that no one should post it) that Robert posted
to the Alarm group to help people.

He is just another variation of "group moderator".



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Post by Frank Olso » Mon, 02 Aug 2004 23:57:25


That's a flat out lie. I don't "support" any individual in this group or in
any other.


actually

Uh-huh... and the "ONE person" should be allowed to continue to spout
nonsense about systems he knows absolutely nothing about? Check out the
"Visonic PowerMax" post and tell me how I should have responded (as a
security professional). I also notice most of you are conspicuously silent
whenever Robert spouts lies about Dave Houston (or anyone else you care to
mention). I've been in the security/fire alarm business for 21 years (in
October this year) and I've seen people like Robert before. He's managed to
garner sufficient knowledge and is so "full of himself" he can babble
bullshit all day long and some people will actually believe him. You guys
take great offense to people posting AD's in here yet don't say "peep" when
Robert plugs his company with gems like "I sell Napco so I'm a little
biased", and "here's a link (my website) to the part you need" (failing to
mention that it's complete with an "add to shopping cart button").


posted

Pardon me?? You want to take a minute to rephrase this? It makes no sense.



Yeah, right... "Goofy Groupie Muderator" and me are "buds"...

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Post by Frank Olso » Tue, 03 Aug 2004 00:14:24


It's called *truth*. You've been listening to his "song and dance" for so
long you no longer recognize it... And exactly *what* is "his career"?? He
runs an online store. His "claim to fame" is that he "ran a modestly
successful central station alarm company". This *does not* make him a
security professional anymore than someone who "runs" a restaurant can claim
to be a gourmet chef. The fact that Robert was *licensed* as an installer
at one time gives him the priveledge of claiming up to 16 years *in the
trade*, but how many of those years was he actually *installing and
servicing* equipment?? Not many, if he still advocates using a paddle
(spade) bit to drill into a foot plate on a finished house.

Frank Olson
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Post by Bruce » Tue, 03 Aug 2004 07:18:25

EVERYTHING on the internet should be taken with a grain of salt and all
info is worth exactly what we pay for it. That being said, Robert
continues to post helpful information and lets people know what he has
to offer without being pushy about it. I've been in the telecom busines
for 31 years but haven't worked in the craft end of the business
professionally for 25 of them (traded a toolbelt for a briefcase). It
doesn't change the fact that I still have 31 years in the business.

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Post by Frank Olso » Tue, 03 Aug 2004 14:26:43


Check!


Heh... Robert *has* posted *some* helpful information and it *always*
includes a link to his website. Indeed... the only questions he answers
are the ones he *can* post links to his website for... I thought there was
a very strict policy in this group regarding that... Why is it Robert can
do so with impunity, but others can't?? Is the fact that he provides
"helpful answers" the key?? And just how "helpful" was he to the individual
wanting help with a Visonic PowerMax?? I think you should take off them
"blinders" you're wearing...


No dispute there, Bruce. And if you want to go on believing Robert has
"27+" years in the business (he often uses "trade" interchangeably), that's
*your* business. Me, I'm like the guy from Missouri... Show me!