current state of protocols; x10? what else?

current state of protocols; x10? what else?

Post by vajr » Sat, 25 Jul 2009 02:34:27



It is confusing to me what is out there? I remember reading on two
protocols.

Can someone share what their experiences have been? I like to sense
humidity in a closet space, put a few switches to turn lights in the
kitchen before going in, sensing motion, and having a camera to
monitor an area. Can I do this wirelessly?
 
 
 

current state of protocols; x10? what else?

Post by Joe Pfeiff » Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:07:30

vajra < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > writes:


I've been starting to convert my house to Insteon. This appears to be
more reliable than X10, primarily because of acknowledgements built into
the protocol. Just a couple of lights so far, but they're working.
It's similar to X10, in that it's a powerline protocol.

smarthome.com sells modules for the switches and motion detectors you're
asking about. I don't know about humidity. It has nowhwere near the
bandwidth required for a camera, though.
--
Klingon programs don't have parameters. They have arguments and win
them (Walter Bushell)

 
 
 

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Post by nobod » Sun, 26 Jul 2009 03:51:08

What's available depends on where you are and what the electical
specifications are. While X-10 is available for most countries, Insteon and
UPB are not widely available. Europe has a lot of basic wireless systems
that are not readily available in N. America.

I'm unaware of any system that will do all that you wish off-the-shelf 9at
least not with quality components).
 
 
 

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Post by Marc_F_Hul » Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:47:05

On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:51:08 GMT, XXXX@XXXXX.COM (Dave Houston) wrote in
message < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >:




For starters:

HomeSeer is one example of the combination of a software + a PC that can do
this:
www.homeSeer.com

A HAI panel can do this without a PC
http://www.yqcomputer.com/

There are also much more expensive systems such as AMX www.amx.com and
Crestron www.crestron.com.


... Marc
Marc_F_Hult
www.ECOntrol.org
 
 
 

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Post by Eric » Wed, 02 Sep 2009 05:31:44

Joe Pfeiffer < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in



I have an X10 device with software (Smarthome Manager) that I bought from
Smarthome to operate as a simple timer for lights at a commercial site. A
couple of years after I bought it they changed the daylight savings time
dates. Smarthome wouldn't update the software and said they discontinued
support for this product. This makes me skeptical about buying any of their
Insteon modules, since they could decide to stop supporting that protocol
at any time.
 
 
 

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Post by Joe Pfeiff » Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:01:29

Eric < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > writes:



They could, but it seems to me like they've hitched their wagon firmly
enough to that particular star that it's unlikely. It would be nice if
there were an independent second source, though.
--
As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we should
be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours;
and this we should do freely and generously. (Benjamin Franklin)
 
 
 

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Post by Robert Gre » Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:52:44

Eric" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in message

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their

Of course they wouldn't fix anything X-10 related. They're pushing Insteon,
now, because they hold the patents. Any X-10 sale cuts into their sales
figures for Insteon. When they first pushed Insteon out the door, it was
apparent by the number of complaints about flickering dimmers and large
loads that they had not beta-tested their gear quite well enough before
sellkng it. They eventually instituted a reasonable recall, but that's the
sort of problem that should have and would have been caught with more
testing before release.

The most likely reason for someone like Smarthome to abandon Insteon would
be heavy debt taken on at the wrong time like GM, Chrysler, Linens'n'things,
the Sharper Image, Polaroid and about 32,000 other businesses in the 1/2 of
this year who are bankrupt. Who would support the proprietary Insteon line
if Smarthome joined them in bankruptcy? I've found that the much cheaper,
license free, non-single source X-10 protocol gear is more than up to the
task of automating most homes but only *with* addition of Jeff Volp's XTB
line of X-10 signal boosters.

http://jvde.us/xtb/xtb_reports.htm

After I purchased the XTB-IIR I went from having X-10 issues every day to
maybe one every one or two months or even longer. I have X-10 gear from 10
different manufacturers and the standard's an open one so there's no
proprietary BS to deal with. With the XTB-IIR, I press the buttons and the
lights do what they should. The only really bothersome problem left is the
CFL issue: lights turning back on by themselves or flashing even when
turned off. Other protocols don't suffer from that problem because they
don't even offer the option to turn equipment on and off via local control,
a feature I find quite useful.

I found it interesting that instead of fixing what was broken with X-10,
vendors all developed new (and mostly proprietary) protocols that cost two
to ten times as much as X-10 without offering anywhere near the flexibility
or functionality of the X-10/XTB combo. Even better still, as more and more
people encounter X-10 issues related to power switching supplies, I can find
great deals on Ebay for X-10 gear, new and in the box, for pennies on the
dollar. Recently I bought a bunch of switches and modules that would have
cost $200 retail for $30. No one else even bid. My kinda auction.

Now if I could only talk Jeff into designing a coupler/repeater/amplifier
that could be installed without having to enter the circuit panel or need to
be wired to a dryer plug. I think a lot of people out there get nervous
when they have to contemplate taking the cover off of their circuit panel
and futzing with 220VAC.

It took me nearly ten years and near total breakdown of my X-10 setup to
build the courage (and learn the basics) of installing a 220VAC single
handle breaker to connect it to the XTB-IIR. To avoid that, you'd need two
units, one plugged into each phase and coupled by RF should do the trick.
One LED to show when you've found an outlet on opposite phase and
communication has begun.

The upside to getting into the breaker box had much higher SAF than I
thought. I had thought my box had no more space until Jeff clued me into
the existence of tandem breakers. I was able to add the XTB's 220VAC
breaker and a new circuit to the kitchen (after my wife got over the fear of
my ge
 
 
 

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Post by (PeteCress » Thu, 03 Sep 2009 08:25:18

Per Eric:

I blew a couple hundred in Insteon modules tb used with mControl.

A couple weeks of spare time and couple hundred bucks down the
drain so far.
--
PeteCresswell
 
 
 

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Post by Joe Pfeiff » Thu, 03 Sep 2009 08:56:54

"(PeteCresswell)" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > writes:


Why do you say "down the drain"? My INSTEON modules are working just
fine for me so far (as is the PLM daemon I've written a first draft of,
and working on a second).
--
As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we should
be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours;
and this we should do freely and generously. (Benjamin Franklin)