how to remove frame border with mozilla?

how to remove frame border with mozilla?

Post by Robert » Thu, 08 Apr 2004 06:30:52


Hi everyone, I'm new here...

I have a frameset header/contents. It's necessary to force the header's
scrollbar to be visible to preserve the alignment between the two frames
(see www.liceomichelangelo.it for details).

<frame src="header.html scrolling="Yes"> doesn't work with Mozilla (this
is a bug), so I caused the scrollbar to be present via css as follows:

body{overflow: -moz-scrollbars-vertical;}

and the scrollbar appears, but now there's also an extra space between
the two frames!
What can I do?

thanks in advance for any help
Roberto
 
 
 

how to remove frame border with mozilla?

Post by Beauregard » Thu, 08 Apr 2004 06:45:59

Quoth the raven named Roberto:


Apparently, you need either Netscape or IE. I don't see your frames,
but instead see a malformed page looking for Flash and other uncommon
bits.

Why are you hiding this text?

<font face="Comic Sans MS, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1"
color="#EBE7D6">
Sito Web del Liceo Scientifico Michelangelo di Cagliari, ...

You say (per Babelfish): "I ask you excuse, but I do not have the
time to construct situated compatible with all browsers and working on
all the systems."

It is easier to construct pages for all browsers rather than trying to
sniff which one came calling.

--
-bts
-This space intentionally left blank.

 
 
 

how to remove frame border with mozilla?

Post by Alan J. Fl » Thu, 08 Apr 2004 07:19:05


It seems so.


It's been pointed out often enough that "force" doesn't work on the
WWW...


Ti chiedo scusa, ma non ho il tempo di costruire un sito compatibile
con tutti i browsers e funzionante su tutti i sistemi.

I think that says "our author doesn't support the WWW".


I'd recommend to read the WWW authoring groups on Usenet for a while.
 
 
 

how to remove frame border with mozilla?

Post by Robert » Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:31:11

> It is easier to construct pages for all browsers rather than trying to

Yes, that's perfectly true. I apologize for the inconvenience, but the
browser-sniffer code was just intended to load the flash plugin-download
page correctly in case of use of mozilla, not to block the other browsers.
I didn't look at that code since for a long time and didn't realize the
fact that only explorer and mozilla browsers are admitted. So thank you
to have pointed out the problem.
Know I have deleted that stupid code, and you can see that the site was
intended to be cross-browser.

Roberto
 
 
 

how to remove frame border with mozilla?

Post by DU » Fri, 09 Apr 2004 09:08:20


I'm sorry but that's not the correct and appropriate way to present your
real webpage problem. Here's how you could have done so:

{
Hi everyone,
I'm new here but I am open minded and wish to solve a web page design
issue. I have created a frame-based design (along with table-based
design in a frame) to preserve a particular layout: pixel-perfect
vertical alignment is very important to me. I was wondering if there was
another way (preferably fully compliant with W3C web standards and
supported by recent browsers) to achieve my webpage goal (a particular
layout) without resorting to a frame hack and without the need for a
table-based design.

www.liceomichelangelo.it

thanks in advance for any help
Roberto
}

Now, that would have been very different post triggering different
responses.

Btw, you can workaround bug 44306
scrolling = yes not implemented: forced scrollbars don't show up
[behaves like scrolling="auto"][frames]
http://www.yqcomputer.com/
by declaring+setting the pseudo-class root for Mozilla. E.g.:
:root
{
overflow:scroll;
height:100%;
}

DU
 
 
 

how to remove frame border with mozilla?

Post by Harlan Mes » Fri, 09 Apr 2004 10:42:18


I see it's also necessary to have Macromedia Flash to use your web
site. Why would you bar people who don't have Flash installed--or who
can't install it--from gaining any benefit from your site?

--
Harlan Messinger
Remove the first dot from my e-mail address.
Veuillez er le premier point de mon adresse de courriel.
 
 
 

how to remove frame border with mozilla?

Post by Robert » Sat, 10 Apr 2004 03:02:39

Dear Du,
first of all sorry if my english offended you, that wasn't my intention,
I haven't learned english very long and I'm not familiar with the
protocol on this side.


unfortunately I didn't express myself well and that I'm open minded
wasn't obvious. Infact I'm open minded, I'm also a curious person, and
I'm used to observe the W3C standards. However I don't think this is
relevant.

[...] solve a web page

thanks for the correction, that could be a template for the next time.
However the site is not intended to be out of W3C standards.


thanks for your quick answer
Roberto
 
 
 

how to remove frame border with mozilla?

Post by Robert » Sat, 10 Apr 2004 03:03:04

> Why would you bar people who don't have Flash installed--or who

I used flash to avoid javascript. That's because in the past I had
problems in building javascript menus that are cross-browser
 
 
 

how to remove frame border with mozilla?

Post by DU » Sat, 10 Apr 2004 05:33:02


No, your English did not offend me whatsoever.

that wasn't my intention,

You have not broken any protocol or civility or anything. Maybe my post
sounded sarcastic but it was not the goal I was pursuing. In fact, what
you did is very very common in newsgroups. People post accurate
questions and often do not give the "entire picture" of the web page in
question. They assume their solution is correct and they request
assistance on HTML or CSS style or javascript on their solution when
their web page design has the real problem and is not addressed.


Well, I think it was: W3C web standards will recommend to not use table
design to achieve a particular layout effect when the data is not
tabular data in the first place. You wanted scrollbars for both frames
for a particular layout issue; not because your upper frame needed to
scroll to reach clipped content. You use frames when there was no need
to have frames, really. That is what I wanted to underline.

Often, people seek help on the wrong issue.

DU
 
 
 

how to remove frame border with mozilla?

Post by google-200 » Sat, 10 Apr 2004 15:52:39


[snipped irrelevant stuff]


While we're being self-righteous, "DU", could you learn to snip the
stuff you aren't replying to? Like all this that came after your
signature?

--
Karl Smith.