APL Characters

APL Characters

Post by kaithomasm » Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:20:19


To exchange APL code via Email or News Readers, look at

http://www.yqcomputer.com/

for instructions. It already contains useful stuff, although for
Outlook and Outlook Express the page is still waiting for volunteers
to add useful information/explenation.

Kai
 
 
 

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Post by Gosi » Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:22:04

 
 
 

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Post by James J. W » Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:57:08


It may be all Greek to some people but it's all boxes to me.
 
 
 

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Post by Gosi » Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:42:54


Greeklish is greek using latin charachters
This tool changes from one to the other.
APL could use the same translation
 
 
 

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Post by kaithomasm » Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:23:13

> Greeklish is greek using latin charachters

Really, the way to go is Unicode, NOT to go through any translation
process.

Kai
 
 
 

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Post by kaithomasm » Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:25:28

> It may be all Greek to some people but it's all boxes to me.

I can see Greek symbols, but I do not understand why: this site is NOT
a Unicode site - in the header it says:

<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
charset=iso-8859-7">

Kai
 
 
 

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Post by phil chast » Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:41:54


http://www.yqcomputer.com/

Unicode is not the only way of delivering non-Latin characters

for a long time, 8-bit codesets were the only way to go, but that
approach was officially wound up over 20 years ago

the Greek characters you're seeing from this page are not being rendered
from Unicode values, but your machine can handle them because the
webpage (as all webpages should) specifies its encoding

/phil
 
 
 

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Post by microap » Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:48:35

On 16 Dec, 09:41, phil chastney


You can of course also display Unicode characters without relying on
the page encoding at all, if you use the more verbose form of
ampersand, hash, decimal value, semicolon. (Some of the characters on
the Greeklish page seem to be done in that way.)

Richard Nabavi
MicroAPL Ltd
 
 
 

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Post by kaithomasm » Thu, 18 Dec 2008 04:01:01

On Dec 16, 9:41m, phil chastney



May I disagree? I have no Greek font installed on my machine. Where
are the Greek symbols coming from then?
 
 
 

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Post by Phil Las » Thu, 18 Dec 2008 05:01:08


APL385 unicode? Arial? Most unicode fonts will include them. If we're
to believe a browser will pull APL from whatever font implements it
then why not greek?
 
 
 

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Post by kaithomasm » Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:09:51


Yes, that's right. But that site is not a Unicode site. So how can a
non-Unicode-site display the right characters with a Unicode font -
that's what I do not understand.
 
 
 

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Post by Phil Las » Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:10:12


' κείμενο δεν
πρέπει'
κείμενο δεν
πρέπει
{}' κείμενο
δεν πρέπει'
954 949 943 956 949 957 959 948 949 957 960
961 941 960 949 953
cs 954 949 943 956 949 957 959 948 949 957
960 961 941 960 949 953

The above first line cut and pasted from the source of the greeklish
site into Dyalog 12.
The rest you can read if ... well, if you can!
 
 
 

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Post by phil chast » Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:16:17


one design objective of Unicode was that all existing character
standards should be able to map into Unicode 100%, and that process
should be 100% reversible -- i.e, you should always be able to recover
your original text, in its original 8-bit encoding

maybe somebody wrote a browser which exploits that feature?

it doesn't sound too difficult . . . /phil