Is DOS used by anyone professionally anymore and are there any DOS jobs to be found ?

Is DOS used by anyone professionally anymore and are there any DOS jobs to be found ?

Post by Joe Fische » Mon, 08 Sep 2003 09:59:43

In alt.msdos.programmer

: Where are these jobs ? I've looked on all of the major boards
: like Dice and Monster and I've seen no evidence of any DOS jobs.

I didn't say there were DOS jobs, the people who
use DOS do so because it doesn't cost so much and they
may be able to do sone of it themselves.

: I haven't seen any 80x86 assembly language jobs either.

Have you checked out ISPs, most have an employment
section on their main page.

: As far as I know, assembly language is really only used
: by BIOS companies nowadays and Phoenix isn't hiring.

A lot of software is in assembly, but once the
routines for the standard display on a PC are written
it doesn't take much to update it.

: As for C, most of the jobs aren't pure C but some
: object-oriented form of C and I really hate the
: object-oriented nonsense.

It would be awful if you had to take a job
you wouldn't like. :-)

: Frankly the dumbing down of software development with
: object-oriented "programming" is what allowed programming
: jobs to be outsourced

I think the job problem has more to do with the
standardization of the PC and the enormous amount of
source code already written for windows.
Add this to the number of small one man shareware
and trialware developers, possibly as many as half the
people that own a PC, and there just isn't the work
available any more.

: Anyway my specialty is assembly language and I know
: real C (no suffix) as well. I've done BIOS, DOS, and other
: low-level programming on the PC in real and protected mode.

I suppose there are several hundred thousand
programmers that lost their good jobs because of the
standardized PC and the fact that everybody has one.

But there are companies that need programmers
that innovate and create original work from their own
The good software like ACDsee, Forte' Agent,
CaptureEZpro, and all the free software that comes
with motherboards, devices, drives and cameras have
pretty much made PC software plentiful without any
new companies starting up, or old companies hiring.

So the jobs are probably at ISPs, not doing
exclusively programming, and other companies that
need a lot of work done that requires experience.

Try searching google for anything connected
with computers and see if the companies coming up
in the searches have an employment page.

Also, companies using or developing for unix
or linux may have more jobs for C programmers than
Chances are the headhunters have lists of
people wanting jobs a mile long, so to get a job
in computers it may take a lot of work checking
out individual companies.

Also it would be prudent to just seek an
office job where they need somebody that can solve
a problem and get a machine going, any job is
better than none.

Online boards is the lazy way, and most
likely everybody looking for work tries that first.
The way to get a job is buy a Sunday paper
and get up early monday morning and apply in person
dressed up for Sunday School.
The papers don't have much the other days,
the Sunday paper has it all.

Joe Fischer


Is DOS used by anyone professionally anymore and are there any DOS jobs to be found ?

Post by SX00 » Tue, 09 Sep 2003 21:21:17

n 6 Sep 2003, Joe Fischer wrote:

well, I did at once my own special program, but i'm afraid that it was the
last one and DOS requirement was just perfect for this program.

There are many DOS sites and DOS development sites now (PTS-DOS, FreeDOS,
DR-DOS, etc.) i'm thinking that is it possible that the DOS is making
comeback, let's say, after 3 years, becouse it's cheaper and not so all
people don't use dumb windows if it gets dumber and bigger. I hope that
there must be an end for windoza if people will start to think that about
this dumb windoza system.

Well well... it was my brightest dream (and I hope that it don't fade
away and it will come true) that i'm programming DOS programs using
ASM+C+TP... and for me it is even 486 a powerful machine.

Object oriented DOS programs are not so bad if it is designed well.

Yes, but there are many programs written that they don't existed before:
mp3 players for DOS, video player (QVIEW) for DOS, even CD writing
software for DOS. ... and at last, but not least even one leading SCSI
card maker -- Adaptec -- makes drivers for DOS even now... it just shows
that we are not alone... :)

wow, so I! Let's join a club then. :)

I suppose there are several hundred millions computer programmers who are
unhappy becouse they are forced to do something that they hate but they do
it just for a living ( -- visual C, Visual Basic, MSW specific APIs). The
DOS gives freedom becouse _anyone_ can make their own tools and utilities
and they are not depending on the leading software company. I think that
if electricity rules will be depending on the microsoft, then the
microsoft changes them all the time becouse it is useful to microsoft.

the good software that comes for a free and with motherboards and
device drivers are usually for a WIN9x requirement atleast if it is cheap.

but do you know how many long distance job opportunities are there? (dumb
question but forgive me, please)..

Aleksander, another proud DOS and ASM language fan. :)


Is DOS used by anyone professionally anymore and are there any DOS jobs to be found ?

Post by Norm Dresn » Wed, 10 Sep 2003 05:29:45

The editorial in the latest issue of Embedded Systems Journal cites the
statistics that, worldwide, last year there were about 100 Million PC's,
Mac's, and Unix Workstations sold --- and that only accounted for 1.6% of
the worldwide sales of microprocessors and microcontrollers. In 2002 there
were 6 Billion uC & uP sold and that was down from the peak, two years
before that, of over 8 billion!

Most of these are embedded processors in consumer commodities like cars,
toasters, and CD/DVD players, but there are many sold to manufacturers of
medical and scientific equipment too.

If you really want to program in assembly language, then you have to look to
where it's being used. The newsgroup comp.arch.embedded is a good place to
start learning.