Canon CLI-8 cartridges from 3rd party (e.g. iP4200)

Canon CLI-8 cartridges from 3rd party (e.g. iP4200)

Post by Martin Tra » Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:55:45



Hi all,

are there any third party cartridges, replacing the CLI-8 types with
chips for newer Canon Pixmas, such as the iP4200?

I've seen some announcements for end of november, delayed til today.

However, I doubt that there will be any legal 3rd party cartridges!?

The originals are above 10 EUR in Europe (which is about $10, due to
exchange rate + tax).

The former ones where slightly cheaper. Good 3rd party was around
3-4 EUR, while cheap ones were at 1 EUR.

A current refill with cartridges is about half the printer's price.
Good luck that I own the iP4000 myself. However, I'd like to know about
iP4200, too.

Refilling the original cartridges ist yet another option. This will tell
the printer about refilling. Probably, a warranty will be destroyed this
way. Refilling will prevent to show the empty cartridge status, possibly
destroying the print head while running dry. I don't know which ink is
suited especially for the 1 pl print head of iP4200, offering similar
quality (matching color, UV stability, print head life time, water
proof).

- Martin
 
 
 

Canon CLI-8 cartridges from 3rd party (e.g. iP4200)

Post by measekit » Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:40:00


I HOPE NOT

THAT IS GREAT

THERE ARE NONE AND NEVER WILL BE

NO IT IS NOT LUCK.

GOOD

THERE IS NONE

 
 
 

Canon CLI-8 cartridges from 3rd party (e.g. iP4200)

Post by ray » Wed, 14 Dec 2005 04:07:55


Office Max has the IP4200 on special for $80, which is $10 more
than a set of cartridges. On other forums people say they have
successfully refilled with BCI-6 inks. The printer stores the fact
that you have refilled. Canon may try you void the warrantee. Even
if they do you are money well ahead if you successfully refill twice.
I have a i850 that I have refilled 20 times before the printhead
partly burned out. I don't think the burnout was caused by my
choice of ink.

Some reviews say the IP4200 does better photo printing than the
IP4000. Any other opinions?
 
 
 

Canon CLI-8 cartridges from 3rd party (e.g. iP4200)

Post by Gary Tai » Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:33:21


It has twice the resolution - Same specs as the 5000, except has more RAM
(the 5000 is peculiar, in it has 34K, most of the rest have 42K)
The 4200 also suppoedly has the front tray roller assembly for the CD tray.
If refilling is your bag, I'd try to get a 4000 or 5000.
 
 
 

Canon CLI-8 cartridges from 3rd party (e.g. iP4200)

Post by measekit » Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:11:58


ALWAYS BUY THE LATEST TO GET EVEN THE SMALL IMPROVEMENTS. I HAVE A 4000
AND THINK IT IS GREAT BUT IF I BOUGHT ONE TODAY I WOULD PROBABLY BUY A
IP5200 BECAUSE IT IS FASTER.
 
 
 

Canon CLI-8 cartridges from 3rd party (e.g. iP4200)

Post by measekit » Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:13:53


IF YOU USE THE WRONG INK SPEFICIATIONS THEY DO NOT HAVE TO HONOR THE
WARRANTY IF THE INK MESSED UP THE PRINTER. IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY
DIFFERENCE IF IT IS AFTERMARKET OR THEIR OWN IF THE INK IS THE WRONG CART.
 
 
 

Canon CLI-8 cartridges from 3rd party (e.g. iP4200)

Post by birch99 » Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:31:14


The IP4200 does at least as well, if not a tad better than by old 6
colour S900.
 
 
 

Canon CLI-8 cartridges from 3rd party (e.g. iP4200)

Post by Fran » Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:54:05


Canon cannot void your warranty because of the type of ink you use.
Anybody who says different is lying so don't believe them.
Frank
 
 
 

Canon CLI-8 cartridges from 3rd party (e.g. iP4200)

Post by Martin Tra » Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:36:16


slightly better, significantly slower,
Martin
 
 
 

Canon CLI-8 cartridges from 3rd party (e.g. iP4200)

Post by zakezuk » Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:00:59

> measkite said: Snipped per request

wait... just last month you said the ip5200, and it was I who was
arguing that according to the specs the ip5200 was faster in most
things. Are you now admiting you were wrong are are you just making up
stuff to make canon look good? Please make up your mind... thank you
kindly.
 
 
 

Canon CLI-8 cartridges from 3rd party (e.g. iP4200)

Post by Martin Tra » Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:03:24


Hm - is there any prove for your claim?

Here in Europe who have two options:

1) legal warranty, ensuring that the product had no failures when
delivered to you. 24 months, while within the first 6 months the dealer
had to prove that a failure was because of the customer's abuse

2) manufacturers warranty: this can be anything that the manufacturer
will add as an optional bonus. The manufacturer or the dealer cannnot
negotiate the legal warranty. But he may limit his own, free warranty to
anything that he claims as limitations (such as no refill; resend in
original box on your own cost; plug in on wednesdays only; purchased
in this country only, ...)

3) delivery waranty: you may return anything that was ordered via phone
or internet within 14 days of delivery.

I guess, comp.periphs.printers is not us.comp.periphs.printers.

Which warranty do you speak about?
Where's the warrany located on the web sites?

I found
< http://www.yqcomputer.com/ ;:
http://www.yqcomputer.com/

1 year for:

+++
This warranty does not cover any accessories, or any consumables, such as paper or ink cartridges, as to which there shall be no warranty or replacement.

This limited warranty shall only apply if the Product is used in conjunction with compatible computers, peripheral equipment and software. Canon USA shall have no responsibility for such items except for compatible Canon brand peripheral equipment covered by a separate warranty ("Separate Warranty").

[...]
This limited warranty [...] does not apply in the following cases:
[...]
(b) Use of parts or supplies (other than those sold by Canon USA) that cause damage to the Product or cause abnormally frequent service calls or service problems.


[...]

DO NOT INCLUDE ANY OTHER ITEMS WITH THE DEFECTIVE PRODUCT IN THE RETURN SHIPPING CARTON, AND BE SURE TO RETAIN YOUR PRINTHEAD AND INK CARTRIDGE(S) AND TANK(S).

+++


This states rather clearly that Canon may refuse any warranty for
damages that may be caused by refilled or 3rd party cartridges.

- Martin
 
 
 

Canon CLI-8 cartridges from 3rd party (e.g. iP4200)

Post by Martin Tra » Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:41:39


It's not worth to read his comments - I don't expect any grain of truth
in his weird comments.

Seems to be some kind of deseased mind, filling his boring days by
trolling around.
 
 
 

Canon CLI-8 cartridges from 3rd party (e.g. iP4200)

Post by Fran » Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:22:47


Not really. You seem to be reading that into the warranty which is
exactly what they want you (the consumers) to do. It is nothing more
than a veiled attempt at using fear to get you to not use after market
inks. It's really a gray area legally speaking because they (the major
printer manufacturers) don't ever want to go to court over the issue.
They are afraid (as they should be) of the outcome and the legal
precedent it would set.
Frank
 
 
 

Canon CLI-8 cartridges from 3rd party (e.g. iP4200)

Post by Martin Tra » Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:45:14


What's your argument why they should be afraid of losing that case?
 
 
 

Canon CLI-8 cartridges from 3rd party (e.g. iP4200)

Post by Fran » Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:32:42


The legal precedent a court decision might set. If they win, meaning
only printers that use their oem carts are covered, could have a
dramatic effect on sales because other manufacturers may not go along
with the idea of only oem carts and thus be more attractive to consumers
which is a real marketing advantage. But the really big problem is with
consumer watch groups that would bring class action law suits against
them to force them to supply oem ink (free or at greatly reduced
cost)for the life of the warranty.
If they lose,(which theoretically they already have),they would not have
a leg to stand on in their on-going war with after market ink suppliers.
So any court decision means...game over!
Let sleeping dogs lie seems to be the best legal strategy at this time.
Frank