Samsung Laser Refill Problem, HP 1018 any better for refill?

Samsung Laser Refill Problem, HP 1018 any better for refill?

Post by lbbs » Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:04:08


I have a Samsung ml-1610 laser printer. I bought a refill kit but
still gives me light prints (and streaky). Is it a cheap refill or
are certain brands of printer don't refill properly? I am debating
in maybe buying a new printer, which is the same price as for new
toner cartridge. I am wondering if the HP 1018 I saw at the store
better for refilling then the samsung? And yes, I know some of you
will discourage me from refilling toner. Thanks.
 
 
 

Samsung Laser Refill Problem, HP 1018 any better for refill?

Post by Tom Crooz » Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:03:13


If you're considering the HP 1018 . get the 1020 instead. Unlike the 1018 ,
it has a FULL toner cart!

 
 
 

Samsung Laser Refill Problem, HP 1018 any better for refill?

Post by Tony » Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:47:54


I will try not to discourage you but the Q2612 cartridge has a couple of
problems for refilling.
It has a very small waste toner hopper, so if you refill using the drill and
fill method you risk toner being spread around the printer.
In order to empty the hopper you need to split the cartridge and that requires
the removement of two steel pins, they can only be removed using a tool with a
bent point. If you remove the spring at one end of the drum and then the drum
bearing plate followed by the drum and PCR you can just see the ends of these
pins inside the cartridge, they need to be pushed out and then the cartridge
can be split. Removing the wiper blade then allows emptying of the hopper. From
then on it is easy.
The drum will only support one refill, the mag. sleeve two at most and then you
will start to get light print or image defects.
these cartridges do not support refilling as well as many earlier cartridges
from HP but it can be done but only once if you value good quality printing.
 
 
 

Samsung Laser Refill Problem, HP 1018 any better for refill?

Post by richardahi » Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:41:30


The Samsung ML1610 is really easy to refill cheaply from bottles of
toner powder (?.99 from consumablecafe.co.uk) - i've got a feeling
your mistake was either to forget to pour away the waste toner from
inside the toner cartridge BEFORE you refilled it with new toner (the
Samsung doesn't have a waste container and waste toner is stored in a
special compartment inside the cartridge which will pour out through
the side plug if shaken on its side before you refill it) or perhaps
you tried to refill the "starter" cartridge which came free with the
machine and isn't designed for refilling as it is made of cheaper
components than an original cartridge and is designed to fail after
printing only 1000 sheets of paper! Remember not to leave the samsung
on "toner save" as this will prematurely burn out the drum unit! Let
me know if you still need any help or advice!
 
 
 

Samsung Laser Refill Problem, HP 1018 any better for refill?

Post by ggreek » Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:02:03

Does every toner cartridge have a waste compartment?
Why toner should be wasted?(like inkjet printers ink cleaning cycles?)

Can someone plz explain me how this thing works?

Thanks guys!
 
 
 

Samsung Laser Refill Problem, HP 1018 any better for refill?

Post by ato_ze » Thu, 11 Oct 2007 23:39:23


It seems to be inherent in the process, the drum picks
up toner which it's going to lay down onto the paper,
the transfer may not be 100 percent and residual
toner remains on the drum. If not removed it would
go round again and produce a ghost image. A
not uncommon problem.
So there is a scavenger blade to remove any
surplus toner, there shouldn't be any if everying
is working perfectly, as for a new cartridge.
Mfr's deem this scavenged toner as unsuitable
for re-use, as they would in the case of an inkjet
if it was scavenged as part of the cleaning cycle.
As toner cartridges wear and age, the scavenger
blade deteriorates, becoming less efficient,
leading to gray diffuse streaks and ghost images.
So ideally it should be replaced when refilling.
Cheap aftermarket refillers may not replace
the blade, or use a non-OEM sub-standard
replacement. 500 pages later problems.
 
 
 

Samsung Laser Refill Problem, HP 1018 any better for refill?

Post by ggreek » Fri, 12 Oct 2007 00:10:17

On 2007-10-10 16:39:23 +0200, XXXX@XXXXX.COM said:



hmm,what about if toner and drum unit aren't together?
Like oki's or epson c1100?
How it works?
 
 
 

Samsung Laser Refill Problem, HP 1018 any better for refill?

Post by Tony » Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:36:12


It depends....
Some manufacturers put the waste toner back into the main toner compartment in
the cartridge, this works well except that when the cartridge is getting close
to empty there is a tendency for the printer to put a gray background on the
page. This is caused by an increase in the proportion of developer in the toner.
Others have a wiper (scavenger) blade and waste toner compartment in the drum
unit (separate from the toner cartridge).
Tony
MS MVP Printing/Imaging
 
 
 

Samsung Laser Refill Problem, HP 1018 any better for refill?

Post by Tony » Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:36:26


It depends....
Some manufacturers put the waste toner back into the main toner compartment in
the cartridge, this works well except that when the cartridge is getting close
to empty there is a tendency for the printer to put a gray background on the
page. This is caused by an increase in the proportion of developer in the toner.
Others have a wiper (scavenger) blade and waste toner compartment in the drum
unit (separate from the toner cartridge).
Tony
MS MVP Printing/Imaging
 
 
 

Samsung Laser Refill Problem, HP 1018 any better for refill?

Post by Arthur Ent » Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:30:10

What you state is generally true, but not every company sees the excess
toner as waste. On some of the newer cartridges, I have noticed that
the excess toner is simply recycled into the toner storage area. It is
true that there could be a bit of contamination from picking up stuff
that the paper brought in like paper dust or static charged foreign
material, but it seems less of an issue than what happens with inkjet
ink which can be pretty badly contaminated, thickened or otherwise not
suitable for mixing back with the ink. Also, most inkjet printers mix
all the ink removed from the heads together during the cleaning process.


Art
 
 
 

Samsung Laser Refill Problem, HP 1018 any better for refill?

Post by Arthur Ent » Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:37:33

The toner cartridge/storage unit and the drum have to be together in
some manner for the toner to get onto the drum. On some units the drum
will still have a wiper blade to remove excess toner but it can be
carried away via an auger *** to a different location and into a
bottle, for instance, or the drum itself may have a storage compartment
is the toner unit doesn't. It may be necessary to clean this chamber at
some point, wherever it is...

Art