Problem making pdf from Pagemaker

Problem making pdf from Pagemaker

Post by Brian McCu » Sat, 02 Apr 2005 09:57:16

Using PM6.5 on Win2000. For years we prepare this magazine-- black text and
greyscale tifs -- then print to a postscript printer on file, then distill.
We often strip content from the previous issue and then place all the new
The file is almost ready to send to our printer. I can create a postscript
file, but when I try to distill it it stops about half way through and won't
produce a pdf. If I break up the job, the first half will distill fine, the
second won't. After breaking it up further, eventually all pages distill.
The one other odd symptom is that when we print to a non-postscript laser an
additional page prints with just a few numbers or letters in the top left
corner. The extra page prints no matter how many pages of the layout we
print. The numbers are often 22, and the letters often, but not always, BB.
All elements have been placed (not copied), all images are tif greyscale. No
colour, no bleeds, everything quite simple and plain.
Any ideas or suggestions? The printer will accept the native PM65 file, but
we have to create a low-res pdf for a website, so I'd like to get this fixed
Thanks. Bridget

Problem making pdf from Pagemaker

Post by Eric Gil » Sat, 02 Apr 2005 10:27:04

"Brian McCullough and Bridget Madill" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >

Do you have any spaces that are of a typeface not used anywhere else?

PageMaker routinely fails to print to postscript properly with that
condition. I dunno why, but using the Story Editor and find and replace to
sniff such out has made many a job suddenly work properly for me.


Problem making pdf from Pagemaker

Post by rhys » Sat, 02 Apr 2005 11:28:25

On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 01:27:04 GMT, Eric Gill < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >

I agree. I use PM6.5 under near-identical conditions, and I find it's
helpful to note EVERY font and variant (note during the file opening
if Futura Hv is being replaced by FuturaHv, for instance...that
missing space means it's a subtly different font that may be absent
from your fonts folder). Symbol and bullet sets frequently cause
trouble here, as does anything in Word pasted in.

I agree with the story editor idea, but another way to source problems
is to print PS files of 10 pages each or so, then distill them until
you find exactly where the oddball font is by noting which "chapter"
bombs out in Acrobat.


Problem making pdf from Pagemaker

Post by John Doher » Sat, 02 Apr 2005 12:26:20

In article <xY03e.4346$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, Brian

It doesn't help with the immediate problem, but FWIW, that's not
something I'd do repeatedly. I think it's better to make and keep a
nice, clean, (more or less) empty template and start new jobs from

That's a little strange. I'd expect there to be a problem with a
specific page, and that you could eventually narrow it down to that
page with the usual binary search.

Before or after the real pages? (Not that it probably helps to know.)

It's been a while since I worked with PageMaker every day, but here
are a few tips for fixing screwed-up documents that googling for
"PageMaker repair" turned up (some of these are familiar, now that
I'm reminded of them):

Perform a diagnostic recompose by holding down Ctrl and Shift then
choosing Type/Hyphenation, then perform a Save As of the
publication. The diagnostic recompose forces Pagemaker to check,
re-create and/or repair many of its internal data structures.

While holding down the Shift key, choose Layout/ Go To Page, this
will initiate a Slideshow of the publication, which has a side
effect of repairing links within the publication. Wait until all
pages have displayed at least once, then force display of the master
pages by right clicking on the master page icons. Once this is
complete Save As to disk.

Unlink all files that have broken links by choosing File/Links then
select each file that is preceded with an upside down question mark
or the letters "UN" and click on Unlink, then Save As. Removing
these items may stop Pagemaker errors due to trying to resolve
broken links.

For each graphic included in the publication, choose Element/Link
Options, then de-select the "Store Copy in Publication" checkbox.
Perform a Save As after each one.

Try to isolate the object that is causing problems by deleting
sections of the publication one at a time, say half the publication
at a time, using the Remove Page function, and find the bad sections
by a process of elimination.

[This might be a good idea, if using a binary search when printing
doesn't get you anywhere. In other words, open the docuemnt, delete
half the pages, do a "Save As," and then try to print and Distill
that half. If that works, re-open the original, delete the other
half, "Save As," and try again.]

Try saving the publication as an earlier version, and then
re-opening it in this format (some features may be lost by this

You may have already tried some of these, or they may not be
applicable to your situation, but what the heck.

Problem making pdf from Pagemaker

Post by Brian McCu » Sat, 02 Apr 2005 23:04:32

Thanks for all the suggestions -- I'll try them one-by-one and see what
happens. Yes, the laser is an HP 5L that we have been using for what seems
like centuries, but we have never had the additional page (always the last
one out) symptom before. It doesn't have a lot of memory and we get silly
glitches from that, but never something like this.

I'll report back if something works, or if I manage to generate even more