Please Help Marco

Please Help Marco

Post by Duane Hans » Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:36:02


Folks: The gift giving season is upon us once again. File Exchange contributor Marco
http://www.yqcomputer.com/
is currently ranked #43 based on number of downloads. I'd like to suggest that everyone download a bunch of his files as a gift to him. It would be great if his download ranking improved to 10 or higher. I know that it would lift his spirits in this holiday time. Thanks in advance for being kind.
 
 
 

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Post by Gavrilo Bo » Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:49:01


That would be the funniest gift ever!

However, maybe it's a bit cruel towards Marco....

 
 
 

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Post by Steve Amph » Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:50:18


Every ML-er should join this campaign. My bit bucket will take a beating.
 
 
 

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Post by Duane Hans » Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:34:02


Please don't delay.
 
 
 

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Post by a programm » Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:53:02


I notice that his downloads take place in the middle of the night (US time). I suspect self-downloading.

The new FEX ranking system is a slap in the face to anyone who has been here for years and has been a file contributor. The new ranking algorithm is "what have you done lately" and gives no weight to thousands of previous downloads outside the most recent 30-day period.

You see, its all about selling Matlab licenses. They want new people doing new work promoted so that they sell more licenses. Old guys with large libraries of highly rated files with thousands of downloads have been thrown under the bus and are NOT appreciated.

Its the new, improved FEX.

No DLLS, No MEX files, no binaries.

So, pikers like Marco will dominate the author rankings. The folks over at TMW must be completely shameless to allow this. They do not care about the user community in any meaningful way. When a company develops contempt for its customers that company is destined to fail.
 
 
 

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Post by Matt Fi » Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:04:03


While I don't agree with some of your more outlandish conclusions, I do agree that it is B.S. to only have rankings based on the last 30 days. I would like to at least have two rankings available, one for the short term and one for the long term. I am dissapointed as well with the "improved FEX."
 
 
 

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Post by Rune Allno » Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:57:49

On 3 Des, 15:36, "Duane Hanselman" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >


I am sure there is a story here, that I have missed?
(I've never had anything much to do with the FEX)

Rune
 
 
 

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Post by Doug Schwa » Fri, 05 Dec 2008 06:30:15

In article <gh6l73$rp$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,




[snip]



Wow, you guys seem to be suffering from a delusion that your FEX ranking
means something. It doesn't. The benefit of submitting files to the
FEX is entirely the good feeling you get for helping another. Sure,
it's nice to get a little feedback, but if you're doing it for
recognition you're bound to be disappointed. What's worse is that you
all seem to be annoyed that someone you deem unworthy gets more
recognition than you do. Get over it. It's blatantly obvious when
someone stuffs the ballot box and no one is impressed.

There has been so much complaining about the FEX ranking that I would
like to see it abolished altogether. That way we could get back to
talking about MATLAB.

--
Doug Schwarz
dmschwarz&ieee,org
Make obvious changes to get real email address.
 
 
 

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Post by Roger Staf » Fri, 05 Dec 2008 06:54:01


I second the motion, Doug.

Roger Stafford
 
 
 

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Post by Matt Fi » Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:50:19


The main reason I dislike the new ranking system isn't because I am worried about my personal ranking, Doug. When I was first learning Matlab, I would often look at the top author list with the idea that these guys have been around for a long time (Urs comes to mind) and their files have stood the test of time. I used to download files all of the time from top contributors (ranking-wise) for the sole purpose of studying the way they wrote their code. I learned a lot about vectorization techniques and useful tricks by doing just that.

I think the new system does skew towards trolls who want to boost their numbers in the short term, but who soon get bored of it and quit. This doesn't affect the long term trend.

Of course I realize that there are other ways to find great files on the FEX, but I thought my technique worked well for me. Since I used the long-term rankings as a source to learn Matlab, I figure other newer folks might do the same, I could be wrong.



Couldn't disagree more, but that's for another thread.
 
 
 

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Post by Duane Hans » Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:52:01


And while you are at it, get rid of public user feedback, but keep the ability to pass feedback directly back to the submitter. It doesn't seem to matter what the venue, public commenting always seems to devolve into lowest common denominator behavior.

I prefer to get back to MATLAB only for the most part, as I have removed all my FEX submissions, and do not participate much here any more.

This Marco thread was started simply to provide some humor during these dark months (especially so up here in Maine).

Duane
 
 
 

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Post by a programm » Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:00:20


snip...
snip...

Untrue. I have no files in the FEX and subsequently no ranking. What is objectionable is Marco using his "ranking" to convince many people on his blogsite that he is doing important legitimate science. I'm sorry if you don't see the problem with that. If you are unfamiliar with events related to this problem perhaps you could refrain from interjecting.
 
 
 

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Post by Doug Schwa » Fri, 05 Dec 2008 10:09:55

In article <gh72fb$h63$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,




Okay, fair enough.



I think you're putting too much stock in the ranking. I'll agree that
it's logical to start your search for quality code with those authors
with a high rank, but if one particular author turns out to be a dud are
you really going to waste much time finding that out? But, okay, you
have a point for keeping some kind of ranking.

My technique for finding useful code from the FEX is to search for
something I need and then evaluate the results of that search based on
the reviews and my own evaluation. Almost everything I have ever
downloaded from the FEX is from authors who only ever submitted one or
two files and didn't have a high rank. I am not in need of coding
advice as I have been using MATLAB longer than most. That's not to say
that I don't learn something new from time to time, but I'm hardly a
beginner.



You're entitled to your opinion -- I'm just tired of all the griping.

--
Doug Schwarz
dmschwarz&ieee,org
Make obvious changes to get real email address.
 
 
 

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Post by Doug Schwa » Fri, 05 Dec 2008 10:18:05

In article <gh7324$p4h$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,





I apologize for making an incorrect assumption.

Do you really think people aren't able to separate the legitimate
science from the garbage?

Why do you think I'm unfamiliar with "events related to this problem"?
Just because I hold a different view?

--
Doug Schwarz
dmschwarz&ieee,org
Make obvious changes to get real email address.
 
 
 

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Post by Kenneth Ea » Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:13:03


I for one appreciate the sarcasm. Of course, it will all be lost on Marco, who is so narcissistic that he'll actually take the phony downloads as some kind of complement or validation of his supposed work. But this is unavoidable. Marco is a lost cause. Nothing any of us do or say here will stop his nonsense. He'll keep posting insanity, He'll keep posting rambling comments, and he'll keep inflating his downloads. There's no point in trying to get through to him or getting annoyed by it.

The only thing that COULD ever stop Marco is The Mathworks, and they WON'T ever stop him, understandably. They want to foster a site where people can exchange ideas freely, and that means that you occassionally have a trollish bad apple popping up.

Anyone with some basic common sense or even a little MATLAB know-how can see Marco and his sub-par FEX submissions for what they are: inconsequential. If he wants to praise himself, let him. It's probably his only source of joy and acknowledgment, for which he clearly has a desperate desire.

We should just let him enjoy his delusions. There's more important and meaningful subjects to discuss here.

Ken