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Post by druc » Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:01:44



In many buisness environments you are, and home users aren't likely to find
out about any alternatives unless they know someone more knowledgeable.


Sensible system are dont make mistakes by design.

Anyway this should be on comp.sys.advocacy

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Post by John Bokm » Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:56:48

druck < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in






Hence, the business controls the user.


Eh, I have made quite some people switch :-D.


Most people do, luckly. Some home users have even made the move to
GNU/Linux (and back again). If you don't know anybody with some
knowledge around you, you can always pay a shop to fix your system (or
you live quite remote). Paying for mistakes sometimes work better than
letting your nephew fix it every week.


I have never seen such an OS. Neither one that was sensible nor one that
made mistakes by design. Software doesn't make mistakes (nor makes
sense).

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Post by Steve Frya » Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:31:06


< XXXX@XXXXX.COM >:




In all the ones I've seen, users have been actively 'encouraged' (usually
forced) to use the alternatives. Sadly, the usual alternatives (Lotus
Notes, GoldMine and other such "information management" tools) make even
worse email clients than OE.

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Post by John Bokm » Tue, 24 Aug 2004 05:25:11

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It's not an apology, it is just facts. More software is *** than you
probably want to think about. *I* can clearly remember Impression crashing
more than most Windows programs, or Paint giving up a bit too often. Or
people with toasted VIDCs, since it is certainly not a software only
problem.

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Post by druc » Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:12:04


Its is an apology, and a lame one at that. Certainly there is other software
out there with bugs, buticrosoft are the worlds richest software company
making more money than the rest of the industry put together - they have no
excuse for the zero quility shite that they foist on the world.

---druck

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Post by John War » Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:27:41


Actually, they have. As there is no real pressure on them (no significant
threat from any competitor) they don't have to bother to produce anything
decent. Their agenda is simple: protect and enhance their ***
position amd *** ly-high wealth.

Without competition this is what tends to happen, and Microsoft would be a
classic example that could be quoted in future textbooks on the subject.

I have only just returned to this group after a lengthy absence, so don't
know what this has to do with "Iconbar Web Sites", so apologies if I'm
inadvertently being unhelpful.

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Post by Chik » Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:36:47

In article <hd8Wc.267680$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,


This thread seems to have leaked here from another group, and is linked to
the hacking of Iconbar, forcing it offline. It is now up, or at least some
of it is.

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Post by druc » Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:52:38


Of course you are right. I was forgetting there is no such thing as the basic
human decency of delivering something fit for the purpose in return for
peoples money - but of course thats specifically ruled out in every Microsoft
EULA - unfit for any purpose stated or implied, and no liability for any
defects known at the time of sale, or discovered later.


Well the competition has to come for superior quality at cost Microsoft
cant undercut.

---druck

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Post by John Bokm » Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:43:46

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And that means they must be flawless? It's hard to get good programmers,
and MS needs quite a lot.


So Open Source and small companies can deliver shite? Nonsense.

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Post by John Bokm » Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:45:11

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If you think only MS works like that, dream on.

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Post by Harriet Ba » Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:12:51

On 22 Aug 2004 as I do recall,




[snip]


If it meets any of the following (default) conditions:

The filetype is &B86
The filetype is text, and
the file is in Marcel's s *** directory
the file is in Messenger [Pro]'s s *** directory
the file is in TTFN's s *** directory
the file is in Pluto's s *** directory
(various other locations)
The filetype is text, and there is a line starting "From:" towards the
beginning of the file.

Or if it meets any other similar conditions someone wants to customise
it to....

Or if someone manually overrides StrongED's mode detection, and forces
any arbitrary file currently displayed to be edited in News/email mode.


It's not entirely intelligent; the News mode, for example, will tend
to assume that *any* text file within a directory called 'news' (or
'News', or 'NEWS'...) should be treated as a Usenet posting,
hardwrapped, spell-checked, etc (depending on which options the user
has selected for News mode). However, it's trivial to override if it
does get it wrong.

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Post by John Bokm » Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:32:51

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Thanks for the very clear explanation. Going to check if I can make this
program and my editor behave as decent as described above :-D.

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Post by Jess » Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:06:59

In message < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >



[snip]


Unfortunately if the biggest player works like that, other companies
are put in a bad position.

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Post by druc » Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:06:13


For just about everything else you have a choice.

---druck

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Post by John Bokm » Wed, 25 Aug 2004 01:44:01

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Sure. Google, Sony, Disney. Keep an eye on those 3.

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