Reply to "Ernie the PM" - RISC OS Moving to a Linux kernel

Reply to "Ernie the PM" - RISC OS Moving to a Linux kernel

Post by Peter Naul » Sun, 20 Feb 2005 01:30:10



I've had a private email from someone reading the thread started by
"Will". Sadly, this person has decide to obscure their name and reply
email in the response, and although I could probably work out who it
might be from detective work on their headers, it's a bit of effort,
apart from noting that they're a Dr Who fan and an NTL customer.

Naturally, there's no way to easily reply privately to defend myself
from their allegations, so I'll do it here. I must say I find such
anoymous commentary just a bit pathetic - after all, if you really meant
it, why can't you stand behind your comments?

Anyway, I won't quote all of it, since it's a private email, just some
parts (but I will state here I reserve the right to publish in full all
anonymous emails in reply to anything said on this topic in future)

Mr Ernie claims I'm upsetting Will - so why does he keep posting?
Will's temperament and posting content are much more typical of a troll
sadly. I'm sure he doesn't need a handkerchief.

Mr Ernie claims I'm inflating my ego by strong pedantry. Hardly the
first to do so, but really misses the point. If I really wanted to
inflate my ego, I could gloat on all the thanks I get for the for the
development I do, articles I write, and so on. Mr Ernie indeed goes on
to mention some of these, and I appreciate that. No, my motivation, as
always, is to dispell misinforation, misunderstanding, and where needs
require it, FUD. These things have done a huge amount of damage in the
past, and I'm quite certain, would have done a great deal more if it
weren't for the efforts of a number of individuals. Calls us pedants if
you want, but (and let me quote Steve Fryatt yet again), the pedantry
will have served its purpose.

And finally (actually, initially in the email), Ernie claims that I said
I have noting positive to contribute - actually, I don't think I did say
that - but even if I did, did Will yet a email, hm? What's he
contributed? And should I refrain from posting because what I might
have to say might upset a few people? I don't think so.

When I should post nothing is when I have nothing to say. Maybe this
post is an example.


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Reply to "Ernie the PM" - RISC OS Moving to a Linux kernel

Post by Peter Naul » Mon, 21 Feb 2005 02:51:46

In message < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >



I thought the contents, as they were, were worthy of a reply - at least,
in the context of advocacy which is a traditional home of such trollish
behaviour and crackpots and much less read - I wish you hadn't posted it
to misc, it doesn't belong here, and I've changed the followups back
accordingly. IMO, posting it to any other csa group would have given it
credence.


Maybe so, but I'm a stickler for usenet etiquitte. Besides, there
wouldn't be any real benefit in doing so.


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Reply to "Ernie the PM" - RISC OS Moving to a Linux kernel

Post by Tim Hil » Mon, 21 Feb 2005 05:35:06

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, Peter Naulls < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >





in your opinion


what?



Mmmmm


Then posting a reply is pretty pointless.

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Reply to "Ernie the PM" - RISC OS Moving to a Linux kernel

Post by Greg » Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:00:37

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, XXXX@XXXXX.COM says...



And mine.

In fact Peter is a bit more sensitive than I thought (no disregard
Peter). The offending email came from the well known troll 'Tarquin
Mills', AKA Ernie *, who has a lot of time on his hands due to his being
a work-shy little tos#er and being kept by his mother.


Tarquin needs to feel that he has a point to his life and this manifests
it's self by his need to cross post to as many unrelated groups as he
see's fit.

Just ignore him and his OT rants as we at RUNG have.

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Reply to "Ernie the PM" - RISC OS Moving to a Linux kernel

Post by Peter Naul » Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:46:36

In message < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >



Certainly. But advocacy is always a forum for crackpots. You didn't
give a reason for your change of group, however (perhapd it was an
accident)

[snip]


So, given you said so little in yours, perhaps your reply was even more
so? I posted it to this group precisely because it's so low volume.

In message < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >



Figures. You might think I'm being sensitive - perhaps justifiably so,
but that wasn't really the reason for my reply. But since it is him,
and since I've said I'd report to ntl any more behaviour of this type,
that's just what I'll do unless he can see his way clear to an apology -
it doesn't have to be to me - just to the group if he wants. His
trollish behaviour has never been acceptable.


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Reply to "Ernie the PM" - RISC OS Moving to a Linux kernel

Post by News » Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:09:25

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,


I guessed.

It was Tim's post across to c.s.a.misc that roused my curiosity and
brought me over here.

<SNIP>


Surprised you haven't slung him out then!

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Reply to "Ernie the PM" - RISC OS Moving to a Linux kernel

Post by Tim Hil » Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:44:13

n article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, Peter Naulls < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >
wrote:



No, it wasn't. The topic of your post seemed to me to be "I have received
an anonymous email" and not directly about changing kernels.

[Incidentally I think much of this 'debate' has been because of the
simple explanation given in the press that 'OSX runs on top of a flavour
of *nix' and we know that 'virtual thingy runs on top of windows' it's
not only a logical step to imagine that not only could 'virtual thingy
run on top of *nix' but you could cut out the middle man (the emulator),
make a 'few' changes and RISC OS could run directly on the *nix kernel,
without an emulator to slow things down. Many of us know that whilst this
may be a last logical step, the amount of re-writing involved would be
horrendous, not to mention the benefit of the ARM would be lost.
Unfortunately, when such logical deductions are made by the, er,
apparently less technically knowledgeable the response they seem to get
is '***k **f and don't be so stupid' rather than 'that's an interesting
idea, but ...'. ]




I can't comment on the content of the anon., email you've had because it
wasn't posted here ...



It never ceases to surprise some people how sensitive some people are and
how strongly they feel about stuff. Nevertheless, if someone has beavered
away in a darkened room for days on end learning about X or developing Y,
consider themselves the expert and some 'upstart' comes along who once
read the Daily Mail which said that X or Y wasn't very good and they take
that as gospel and rant about it here and slag off (maybe
unintentionally) somebody no wonder they get a little prickly.


Need a <plonk> then you can ignore. Bet the child changes email to get
'round this though.


No. Go ahead. Report him. He must have clocked up a few.

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