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Vista

Post by Alex' A. I » Mon, 18 Feb 2008 02:38:29


Last days, there was the opportunity for me to work with a Vista laptop.
The GUI of Vista is so extensive to me that I still prefer the simpler
RISC OS desktop. As I often said, RISC OS has also lacks - but it is
still more transparency and handy to me.

I don't like to spend all my time and brain just to know how to service
all this Vista, eh.

A.

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Post by Greg » Mon, 18 Feb 2008 03:21:37

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, XXXX@XXXXX.COM
says...

Horses for courses, as they say.


That's fine if RISC OS does all you need. Personally, I like to expand
my knowledge.

--
Greg Harris (Norwich)

 
 
 

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Post by Chik » Mon, 18 Feb 2008 03:25:33

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,



To be honest, I had a bit of a go with Vista last year, and the problem I
had with it was that there was nothing in it that convinced me that it was
any better than anything I'd used before. All the extra security gubbins
was more annoying than useful (I hate the idea that I, the user, should be
penalised because somebody else wants to do *** things to my computer)
and the rest of it was merely a restyling. The underlying system was no
different, on the whole, than Windows 2000.

The thing is, if I really want to run a restyled Windows 2000, I can get
hold of the various bits to add the styling to a current copy of WXP. In
fact, that's exactly what I did with my old Pentium III laptop! There are
a couple of restyling packages out there.

Having said all that, you'd have to ask why it is that I still insist on
keeping RISC OS running at home. My answer is that I like a computer that
does what I want it to do when I want it to do it, and one that doesn't
try to keep second-guessing me. I still find that packages such as
Impression, Ovation and Draw allow me a lot more flexibility when I'm
designing (I don't do this as much as I used to but it still comes in
handy) and I still prefer Pluto over anything I have used elsewhere.

--
//\ // Chika <miyuki><at><crashnet><org><uk>
// \// "Word to the wise guy; be nice or be dog food!"

... Show me a sane man. I'll cure him for you.
 
 
 

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Post by Greg » Mon, 18 Feb 2008 04:14:21

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, XXXX@XXXXX.COM
says...

That seems to be 'most' users feelings.

[snip]


You have to differentiate the OS from the applications. XP is definately
more stable than RISC OS given the range of hardware that is designed to
operate on, applications are down to user knowledge/experience.
















hand
--
Greg Harris (Norwich)
 
 
 

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Post by Chik » Mon, 18 Feb 2008 05:39:09

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, Greg



As far as it goes, I have no stability problems with RISC OS and never
had, at least since RISC OS 2 (I used to be plagued with Filecore in use
errors back then). You have to differentiate also between the OS and the
hardware and its drivers so, if I compare the two, I find that each has
its benefits. That's why I have both available to me at home and at work,
not to mention Linux which acts as a server to both systems.

I'll admit that XP is a lot more stable than it used to be in its early
days (which is the biggest reason for not using a "new" OS from M$ - XP
SP2 has been patched to the point where it is likely to be a lot more
stable than a build such as Vista) but my point about second-guessing is
where the OS keeps trying to make guesses about what I might do next. That
is as important within applications as it is at the base of the system.

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// \// "Word to the wise guy; be nice or be dog food!"

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Post by Martin Baz » Mon, 18 Feb 2008 06:36:57

In a distant and second-hand set of dimensions, the words of
Greg filtered slowly through the cosmos...


As far as I'm concerned, my biggest disincentive for converting to
Windoze is what I like to term its 'epilepsia' - if you try to tell it
to do too many things at once or confuse it with a lot of information it
will either freeze for five minutes or do something irrational and
unexpected.

Also, it's so slooooowwww, and gets slower with age. There are
computers around at school that can easily take up to seven minutes to
start up, which, when I consider the fact that I could have fired up 3.7
on my old RPC700 some time ago and be well into a game of Doom by then,
reminds me why I will never desert what is, for all its faults and
omissions, a clean, stable, efficient, easy-to-use and cheap to
maintain British OS.

--
__<^>__ I thought DFS was a brand of sofa until I discovered the Beeb.
/ _ \ Posted by Martin Bazley from British technology.
( ( |_| ) )
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Post by C J Crai » Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:33:21

In message < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >






I had a Sony Vista laptop for Xmas. It spent the first 3 days
updating!. There is no occasion when I have wanted to do something it
has not been "up-dating", "Backing-up" or "downloading virus
protection" & needing to re-boot. My Iyonix is always ready to go!

Chris

--
C J Craig

XXXX@XXXXX.COM
Iyonix ARM XScale computer Risc OS 5.11
 
 
 

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Post by John M War » Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:43:46

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,


I've had that happen on numerous occasions. I'm still trying to make
sure I always remember to let it finish one task before attempting to
start another. It's like a step back in time of some twenty years...


I've noticed that too, even with numerous virus, registry and other
scanners. It just clogs up.


Even I haven't suffered anything that bad. Perhaps a 3 GHz processor
helps; though the 600 MHz Iyonix always starts up fully (including a
number of items I load at boot time) in 35 seconds flat. Even if I
start the Wintel machine first, then the Iyonix, the latter will be
fully opertaional before the Microsoft machine even reaches the "user
log-in" stage.

Oh, and the Iyonix shuts down within two seconds, usually just one.


Same here -- though I haven't had time for DOOM recently, which is a
shame. Thanks for the reminder, though: I'll have a go soon.

--
John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987
Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC!
Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers
 
 
 

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Post by John M War » Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:48:46

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,







Near enough, in my case. Only PowerPoint files and the more stubborn
websites require the Wintel box.


So do; which is why -- unlike nearly all Wintel users -- I am familiar
with more than one system. I am the superset of knowledge and
experience; they are the subset.


My Vista machine isn't quite that bad, though it does seem to need to
update the virus etc data every couple of hours, and it will insist on
putting up a message to say it has done so. There seems to be no way to
turn that off...

It isn't very impressive, to be honest; but perhaps it excels in areas
for which I have no use -- flashy stuff, for example. I find it
inferior to XP in a number of ways, such as no longer being able to
"safely remove" pen drives without first closing the filer^W "Explorer"
display. No intelligence!

--
John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987
Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC!
Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers
 
 
 

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Post by Alex' A. I » Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:15:48

In message < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >



Not all knowledge is useful to us. I keep my brain and time for another
things which are more important to me.

A.

--
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Post by Steven Pam » Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:33:19

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,


What most people knew before Vista was released was that it would be mostly
bells and whistles and little real content.
Most enterprise users have remained installing XP and home users get no
real choice other than switching to Linux.

How exactly does any portion of Vista expand the knowledge of anyone?

--

Steve Pampling
 
 
 

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Post by Greg » Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:42:34

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,
XXXX@XXXXX.COM says...


So the improved security, graphics acceleration, multi-tasking and dual-
core support has passed you by then?


Copies of XP Home and Pro are still readily available and will be for
quite some time.


Ha! And there was me thinking that you worked as IT support. ;-)

--
Greg Harris (Norwich)
 
 
 

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Post by John M War » Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:52:48

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,



That was the word on the street, so to speak. When it came bundled and
pre-installed on my replacement Wintel box (I find they die every couple
of years or so -- this is my third such beast) I found that was indeed
the case. It still has much of the clumsiness and inadequacies of XP
and its predecessors, and indeed there are a few things it doesn't even
do as well as XP does.


Even that isn't necessarily a useful choice, unless that platform can
handle (for example) PowerPoint files. That, and some websites with
issues, can necessitate my turning to "Hoppy", the HP Pavilion; but all
else that I do is under RISC OS exclusively.


Um, how easy it can be to produce poor products and still make an almost
guaranteed killing from selling them by the million? Wonderful what an
effectively monopoly can achieve...

--
John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987
Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC!
Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers
 
 
 

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Post by Ben Shimmi » Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:55:41

John M Ward < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >:

[...]


[...]


One wonders why you're complaining about a step back in time of twenty
years, when Doom is a step back in time of fif *** !

b.

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Stick and stones may break my bones,
ma posso mangiare il vetro e non mi fa male.