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Post by New » Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:37:27


In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,


Eh? Never installed a new printer? Tried any USB thingies? Oh - not
'faffing about with drivers' is perhaps why I've never had a CD/DVD device
that has worked *properly* - ever.

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Post by Paul Viga » Sat, 09 Aug 2008 17:38:59

In a dim and distant universe < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,
Dave Plowman (News) < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > enlightened us thusly:


Yup! Bought an HP all in one office device which was USB powered. Plugged
it into the Iyonix, Castle's popup driver detected it and told me, clicked
ok and from then on it worked perfectly.

Plus I didn't need any specific drivers installed for either of our two
professional Xerox printers. Normal postscript driver worked fine, via the
network (only had to write my own driver to access from of the more
advanced features such as duplexing and stapling/collating etc).

Easy-peasy. PC conversely took ages, because it took about 20 minutes to
install the CD which came with printer and then promptly decided it didn't
like it and refused to print. Gave up trying in the end, as I didn't want
to print from Windows anyway (it was only an exercise in seeing how tedious
it was, and I proved my point). I do all my printing direct from RISC OS.


Again, never had a problem. Just plug into the Iyonix, and if it's a mass
storage device it appears on the iconbar and away you go. I've tried all
manner of things from external hard drives, printers (affore-mentioned HP
AIO), memory sticks and mobile phones.


What problems did you have? I think I've only ever bought off the shelf CD
drives for Acorn machines, and they've all worked perfectly, just by
setting the relevant master/slave setting and plugging in, even as far back
as the A5000 (for which I was working with Cumana at the time, so used
loads of different devices).

Paul

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Post by John M War » Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:13:13

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By and large, yes.


Yup: several of 'em over the years. It has never been a problem,
including most recently an HP colour laser PostScript printer with only
a parallel connection. Therefore I connected it to my trusty
13-year-old RiscPC and shared it.


Yes, and again no problem, with the single exception of pen drives etc
over 2GB capacity. That is one issue that still needs to be addressed,
but that's all.


Mine have all worked perfectly, though I haven't written any DVDs to
date (I have no need to do so).

Overall: yes, we do sometimes need soft-loaded drivers, but most of them
things just work -- and it has been that way for as long as I can
remember. Elegant design, I call it.

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Post by Rob Kendri » Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:21:45

On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 07:37:48 +0100



So on the one hand you say things must be easy to use and intuitive,
but on the other you say the user must understand everything? That
makes no sense.


I find it, both as a developer and user, deeply stressful. Its
performance, its stability, the lack of any OS development, the
inflexibility and expense of the software, etc etc etc. RISC OS won't
stand a chance of being popular until it's both as cheap as the
competition, anywhere near as good as the competition under the bonnet,
and provides an environment where developers don't hate it.


The problem is the stuff it doesn't do.


You've never tried using older NIC with modern machines, then! The
hardware issue, in general though, does completely vanish when the
choice of hardware is so painfully narrow. And that's not a good thing.


I don't get this on any OS I use.


Or this.


Well, to be fair, if RISC OS were even as popular as Linux, its virus
problems would return. Viruses were rife when schools used RISC OS -
they even got onto magazine cover discs and shareware compilations!
Its design makes it much more susceptible to viruses. Windows has had
15 years to make it more resistant, and RISC OS has done nothing. So
this problem only doesn't occur in RISC OS because it isn't popular,
meaning it's unfair to use it as an argument for why it should be more
popular.

(Also, I remember running !Killer at school/college [as it was
required] and it using a quarter of the machine's memory and slowing
the machine down to crawl even when it wasn't scanning!)


What on earth do you do to your Windows machines? Given you say you
don't use them, I can only assume these faults haven't actually been
experienced by you :)

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Post by David Pit » Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:03:00


[snip - stressing]

It would be lovely to inhabit a world where RISC OS did all the computing I
require. It works for Paul and he is entitled to say so. The notion that
RISC OS is less stressful than Windows is probably self evident to most of
us. What does not follow is that though RISC OS is fine for Paul is that it
is fine for everybody.

I think Paul does go too far with his propaganda to an extent that starts to
look like trolling, but he is not the only one that could be said of.

What ever is the point of a thread like this that descends into a "mine is
better than yours" beef fest.

What image of RISC OS would we want to show to any new talented programmers
that come across RISC OS, csa.* or a platform that might be stuck in a
cul-de-sac but still has on going large scale development as it has on
browsers.


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Post by Paul Viga » Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:55:33

In a dim and distant universe < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,
David Pitt < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > enlightened us thusly:

Indeed. I've said many a time that RISC OS does everything that I require
and, other than having a few other machines for support purposes, for
personal use I would never require anything other than RISC OS. Other
people's mileage may vary. However, I also disagree that just because some
people around here complain that RISC OS doesn't do XYZ, it's useless for
everyone - which is what a lot of people imply.

Sure if someone comes along to me and say they want a computer specifically
for video editing, then I'll recommend they get a Mac, but if they just
want a computer for day-to-day stuff, I always recommend RISC OS. I then
explain in a bit more detail some of the limitations of RISC OS but
invariably a lot of people say, oh I don't want to watch YouTube or XYZ. I
only want it for word processing etc., and if they're still interested, I
often loan them a Risc PC for a week or so to see how they get on.


I guess it's sometimes a bit difficult to have sensible conversations via
computer, especially Usenet and doubly-so these newsgroups, but a) I'm
enthusiastic about RISC OS and don't like to see it unfairly (IMHO) dissed,
b) these newsgroups are not exactly real-life scenarios because they're
rather more polarised than talking to someone in person - people here
probably already use RISC OS and either love it or (seem to) hate it so
it's easier to get into a perceived argument, either as advocate or as
devils advocate. :-)

Paul

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Post by Jess » Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:01:06

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The 2GB file limit is the the thing that has caused me to use a Mac
for things that my Iyonix could otherwise do.


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Post by Jess » Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:22:00

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I would say that RISC OS has a slightly steeper learning curve for the
first few minutes (than windows or a mac), but once you have the basic
concepts, it then becomes very intuitive and promotes understanding of
the system. That would be why many long term RISC OS users move over
to windows and find it easy to use. (Far easier than many long term
windows user.)

[snip]


Where RISC OS wins is over the network in that it doesn't come up with
loads of services waiting to be hacked.

It also doesn't provide an email client with the functionality to
automatically run programs. (Thought I suspect the latest outlook
express is probably very hard to do that with, now).

Where it is hideously bad is with !boot files, these provide exactly
the same functionality that outlook provided to excute hostile code,
but from a filing system.

This could be improved by only filer_booting nominated folders (apps
utilities etc) and having an extra menu item to manually boot items.

it would also be nice if the lock facility was updated and used by
default. (The Mac seems to get the balance about right).


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Post by David Pit » Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:37:22


It is difficult to have a sensible conversation on csa.*, it is too easily a
platform to voice one's own views on without taking any notice of the views
of others, that is just the psychology of indirect communication.

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Post by Rob Kendri » Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:26:10

On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 08:22:00 +0100



Nonsense. If you're running ShareFS, you're doomed. It essentially
lets you remotely call any SWI you like. Plus, people using RISC OS 5
or anything earlier than reasonably late ROL releases, they have no
firewalling at all.

Conversely, an installation of Ubuntu has zero listening services by
default. Windows Vista, should you tell it your networking device is
connected to a public network, also comes up with zero listening
services.


Further, I suspect it's easier to get Messenger Pro and Pluto to
automatically run a program. Outlook had been a security joke for many
years, but they've put a lot of work into it. I suspect Messenger and
Pluto between them have dozens upon dozens of undiscovered security
flaws.


What would be nice is to go to a multi-user OS like both Mac OS and
Windows are now (and UNIX has always been) as it neatly solves this
issue: only the super user has permissions on certain parts of the file
system, and you are required to enter a password to become that
super user.

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Post by druc » Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:20:18


I've been saying for years that !Boot should be run by a restricted
ShellCLI which only allows a subset of operations such as IconSprites
and and system variables for nominated filetypes, but even there there
is scope for myschief. But as no one is bothered about exploiting the
existing vulnerabilities anymore, there hasn't been any need to fix
them.

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Post by Jess » Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:32:57

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And that's enabled by default is it? You can add insecurity to any
system.


So you can tell the machine is there and crash the internet stack.



Possibly, but I was under the impression (from posts by some
programmers) that things like buffer overflows were hard to do
anything with due to the separate data and instruction caches in
StrongArms.


Which isn't much different to the lock facility.


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Post by John M War » Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:33:06

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There is a way around it, which I use, stemming from my need for a
portable. Virtual Acorn, running on the portable, can access as a
HostFS Mount devices such as my 80 GB Freecom USB hard drives, a 4 GB
pen (flash) drive, and caddy-mounted old (spare) hard drives, also USB.
I bought the caddies from CJE and installed discarded drives ($0 and 80
GB) that had been replaced by 128 GB drives in the computers themselves
(Iyonix and RiscPC). Nothing goes to waste here!

Even so, sorting out the DosFS limit is something that does need to be
tackled. The excellent Dave Higton is partly there with his read-only
utility, which suggests that it could be solved -- it isn't technically
impossible.

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Post by Jess » Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:38:39

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Limiting the booting to reserved (and explicitly chosen) folders would
stop most of the nasties (especially if those folders were locked by
default.) And hopefully not break too much.

In fact it would be nice to have both options available.

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Post by Jess » Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:44:29

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That is a different aspect of the problem to the one that messes me
up.

That is caused by accessing dosdiscs as a file. Access them a
different way and you can get to the files. The problem is files
bigger than 2GB cannot be used.

So how do I download a 4.7 GB file and burn it to DVD? (Answer use my
Mac.)

This is made annoying by the fact that a bittorent client exists that
could otherwise get the file, and I could buy DVDBurn and then burn
it.


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