RISC OS 4.04 and 4.36

RISC OS 4.04 and 4.36

Post by Alex' A. I » Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:52:02


Before I do something amazing here; can I switch RISC OS 4.36 ROMs in
the Kinetic RISC PC? And the other way round: can I use RISC OS 4.04
ROMs in an A7000+ machine (because I suppose RISC OS 4.04 is something
special for the Kinetic card)? My Kinetic is the main machine here now
but runs RISC OS 4.04 whereas the A7000+ runs RISC OS 4.36 and so I'm
still missing something.

Many thanks in advance,

Alex'

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RISC OS 4.04 and 4.36

Post by Charli » Tue, 02 Jun 2009 06:29:22

Hello,
TBH I can't remember at what point RiscOS came with Kinetic support
built in (4.39 does) apart from the 'special' version that came with
the card...
...as a rough rule of thumb all >3.1+ ROL OS versions contain support
for all previously supported hardware as well as new(er) stuff, so:
For the sake of a few minutes *carefully* swapping roms to find out
for sure I'd give it a go.
Saving your CMOS settings first would be a good idea as you'll have to
clear this on boot-up with the 'new' roms in place for each machine -
if it didn't work doing so would make the reverse procedure less
painful.

All the best.

 
 
 

RISC OS 4.04 and 4.36

Post by ajw99u » Tue, 02 Jun 2009 06:50:26

On 31 May, 06:52, "Alex' A. Interrants"

Isn't 4.36 a soft-load version? Did you mean 4.39 (Adjust)? That
certainly
works with Kinetic.

ROMs with a version number higher than 4.03 should be OK in either
machine.

There were variants of version 4.03 for different hardware - Kinetic,
RiscStation, Mico,
but as far as I know anything later is "generic". Don't forget to
Delete-power on
after fitting new ROMs.

Rgds,
Andrew
 
 
 

RISC OS 4.04 and 4.36

Post by Stuar » Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:02:07

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,


4.39 Adjust works fine in a Kinetic :-)
 
 
 

RISC OS 4.04 and 4.36

Post by Alex' A. I » Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:27:21

In der
Nachricht
< XXXX@XXXXX.COM >
XXXX@XXXXX.COM hat geschrieben:


You're right. I meant RISC OS 4.39 (Adjust). It works just as fine in
the Kinetic as RISC OS 4.04 in the A7000+.

[snip]

Alex'

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RISC OS 4.04 and 4.36

Post by Graham Thu » Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:49:50


<snip>


Omega as well, and I can confirm that it does work with Adjust ROMs
(although this one is still softloading Select 3i4).

IIRC, RISC OS 4.36 is Select 3i3.

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RISC OS 4.04 and 4.36

Post by Martin Han » Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:19:48

On 31 May, 06:52, "Alex' A. Interrants"


Hi Alex,
My Kinetic Risc PC has run well with the 4.39 ROMs in it for years.
The only problem I had was that they didn't integrate properly with my
viewfinder card, and for that reason I wish I'd left the RISC OS 4
ROMs in.
Most of the viewfinder problems have been resolved with the more
recent issues of 'select'.

I'd say you would do better to leave as they are and take out a select
subscription as you could then update both machines to RISC OS 6,
select 5I2.
If you've got anything running virtual acorn (Mac or Windows) the same
subscription lets you update that to RISC OS 6, select 5i2 as well.

Regards,
Martin

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RISC OS 4.04 and 4.36

Post by Jim Nage » Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:03:27

Martin Hansen wrote on 4 Jun:

ah, interesting. never thought of that. i bought RO6 some while ago
but decided to stick to 4.39 on the RiscPC because RO6 no longer
supports some old filing system required by Font Directory Pro, an app
i find essential in my line of work.

but i could give RO6 a go on Virtual, which i don't depend on in the
same way.


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RISC OS 4.04 and 4.36

Post by Alex' A. I » Wed, 10 Jun 2009 04:09:34

In der Nachricht < XXXX@XXXXX.COM
glegroups.com>
Martin Hansen < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > hat geschrieben:



It's not just so that 4.39 runs properly in the Kinetic but 4.39
recognizes and supports the card!


I had never found out why people are fitting graphic cards in their
Risc PC. Isn't the build-in graphic chip with VRAM enough, is it???


Thanks for this hint. It's just so that I don't earn much money at the
moment why I cannot subscripe. It's really so that my bicycle is
broken since few days (I don't own a car) and that I should buy a new
pair of trousers (without holes!) what I'm not so happy about at the
moment.


The only to RISC OS different machine I would buy aujourd'hui is SUN.
I'm not sure about VA on this system. The Kinetic Risc PC which I've
got last year pleased me so much. I don't think I had enjoyed an
ordinary PC like it despite its age. Above all, I like the box with
the beautiful green letters "Hergestellt im Vereinigten Kigreich".
Acorn was not just a computer manufacturer but also an extraordinary
representative of the United Kingdom in the world and build bridges to
people in foreign countries.

And I had just 15 years to wait for my first Risc PC... (I was still a
boy that time, in 1994).

Kind regards,

Alex'

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RISC OS 4.04 and 4.36

Post by Eric Rucke » Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:39:12

On Jun 8, 3:09m, "Alex' A. Interrants"


Speed? The VIDC20 is slow compared to a Viewfinder or VPod.

And, at least with my RiscPC (which does just use the VIDC20 with 2
MiB VRAM) all I get at 1600x1200 is 256 colors at a very flickery 61
Hz (I may be able to barely squeeze 62 Hz out of the timings, but
it'll be difficult.) 1680x1050 and 1920x1200 are very common
resolutions nowadays, and the latter is even worse. (1920x1200 is
restricted to a mere 16 colors on the VIDC20, even with 2 MiB VRAM.)
 
 
 

RISC OS 4.04 and 4.36

Post by David Hold » Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:29:19


Exactly. I'm happily using 1920 x 1200 x 64K colours using a Vpod. I can get
the same resolution with a Viewfinder but the Vpod is noticeably faster on
the desktop.

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RISC OS 4.04 and 4.36

Post by News poste » Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:21:11

In message < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >


[snip]

Er no.

Although maybe a moot point: the things that look better with a bigger
desktop and more colours probably load from the RiscPC hard drive in
times measured with a calendar rather than a stopwatch. I'm now starting
to hit that limit on the Iyonix with JPEGs from a 10 MPixel digital
camera.

Regards
Stan
[snip]

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RISC OS 4.04 and 4.36

Post by Dave Syme » Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:39:00

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,



[Snip]





Indeedy.
We have two SARPCs here both with 2MB VRAM and quite a bit of Main RAM...
one with a Viewfinder and one without, the difference is very substantial.

The one with the VF runs the desktop on a larger monitor, and obviously a
larger desktop in C16M.
Graphic redraws, while slow compared to the Win PC are none the less quite
fast.

On the machine without the VF it has to run in a lower resolution mode to
get a reasonable size desktop, and the redraw of a sizeable graphic is, as
Stan notes jokingly, timed with a calendar rather than a stop watch.

Dave

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RISC OS 4.04 and 4.36

Post by Alex' A. I » Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:09:23

In der Nachricht < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >
Dave Symes < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > hat geschrieben:




I think a larger monitor is essential for that because I can surely
switch to a resolution of 1600 x 600 pixels but cannot recognize
symbols or text in a proper way (too small). This is why I'm wonder
that you want a higher resolution (I'm using max. 800 x 600). What is
the dimension of your monitor which you're using on VP / Viewfinder
card and what is the resolution which you're using with it?

And what about games? Can you play games with a VP / VW and is there
a support for these cards by some games? Or do you use it just for
desktop applications?

[snip]

Alex'

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RISC OS 4.04 and 4.36

Post by Stuar » Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:53:02

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,


I wonder if you need to visit an optician.

For years I have been running my RPC, without additional hardware, at
1280x1024. Initially with a 17" CRT, now with a a 17" flat panel.

This resolution is OK but lacking a bit in the colour department if you
start trying to display photographs.

Old format 4:3 monitors are becoming a thing of the past now and it is
becoming difficult to buy anything other than "widescreen" in the usual
high street shops. My wife's monitor on her PC was recently replaced with
a 20" Samsung running at 1680x1050.

For both the above reasons new display hardware is becoming essential.