zfc and Orpheus

zfc and Orpheus

Post by John Nola » Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:12:03

I hope the stricter readers of this posting will forgive me if I have broken
a NG rule.

As a comparative simpleton, when it comes to computers, I am one of the many
who know and love our beloved platform. Part of the joy is all the
interesting people who use it. For me, "good 'ol' zfc" is something I almost
pine for, in that connection. I don't know where everyone's gone, but the
substitutes were never sutiable for me.
because of the problems re. groups,
the SPAM effect on email of being swamped by threads of no interest.

Now, PV has not put me up to this, but I have been in touch with him on this
and that for many years and was concerned about the way Argonet was closed.

Two related effects of this were that many people migrated away and never
came back to Orpheus. This had the knock on effect on "good 'ol' zfc".

I never cease to tell friends that there is a very good ISP run by a friend.
For those who were Argonutters, who have not signed with Orpheus, do think
about it. I am sure this would be to the benefit of all of us and our
beloved platform.

Some time ago, on one of these groups, I hazarded an ignorant guess that
there might be 100,000 of us worldwide. PV reckoned that he thought more
like 10,000 ! I wonder if that is above "the critical mass".

Certainly, a strong, friendly ISP would help.

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Post by Adop » Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:53:48

n article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,
John Nolan < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote:

Nope - this is argonet.acorn.misc, so no 'rule' broken in
this newsgroup..>! O:))

[snip interesting lead...]

Threads of 'no interest' will always abound for, as you
will have already noted, one person's Hillside Sheep is
another's Valley Goat. Even your butcher will be Goosed
with the Beaked Alligator when daffodils are out of season.. ;))

Yes.. as all Argonauts were, in one way or another. However,
that is rapidly becoming history and, if we are to survive,
ex Argonauts now need to look to the future.

ArgoNet's ngs did appear to be depressed somewhat, leading up
to the demise of ArgoNet; perhaps depressed in part to pursuade
people that there was little point in them continuing to use

On the other hand, we did get that which we paid for -
and, for some, many years of 'free' access and free support
via free phonelines - equal to a very reasonable percentage
return on their share outlay...

Shares, of course, that are still supported and, from all
accounts in the acorn ngs, are really doing rather well,
so Shareholders haven't (yet) lost out...

It will indeed take quite some time to build up the client
base - probably a client base now sadder, wiser and without
a desire to return to the hedonistic early days of 'net
access with ArgoNet in GB...

Well.. most ZFCers are still around, it's just that they
mostly seem to prefer using one, other, or both maillists.

There are still some ZFCers who believe they can't get into
argonet.zfc, even though it is now an accessible public newsgroup.

Not to forget the other ISPs who are RISC OS friendly. I guess Neil,
for an obvious one...

mmm.. critical mass for what?

The Acorn newsgroups are supported.. Many of the argonet.*.* ngs
are now publically available and still supported. The ZFC, for
instance, has it's own newsgroup at argonet.zfc, where it has been
for the best part of the last ten years - and, at least for the ZFC,
there are now an additional two maillists - one run by Chika and
the other by Paul that are also well supported...

Oh, absolutely - and Microsoft will happily supply that, if
you ask them nicely. (Don't comment on the bulges under their
armpits, though)...

Other than that, I suppose you could cudgel every RISC OS
supporter into joining one vast ISP. Trouble is, most subs
do seem, on the surface, a little cheaper than ours....

..and many who are 'elsewhere' get their 'net access free anyway!

Wishful thinking aside, to get many 'back', we would need
to offer them a package that is not only outstanding in
technical excellence, but outstanding in all other terms,
but mostly in cost, convenience, stability and excellence
of support - and that in every area from Bank Manager to
seamless, instantaneous web access...

..oh ..and never a spam or other 'feature'...

I don't think that even the RISC OS World quite covers all
those bases, at least not just yet... ;))

Bill ZFC

..and Compliments of the Season, A Blessed and Joyous Christmas,
A Happy New Year, Io Saturnalia! to Each and Every One... :))

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Post by Ray Dawso » Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:49:07

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,

So, why is it appearing in comp.sys.acorn.misc? :-)


Ray D


Ray Dawson
MagRay - the audio & braille specialists

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Post by J C Conne » Wed, 07 Dec 2005 19:56:35

In message < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >

Really? How? Where? Back in the far off days when I was on Argonet, I
used to enjoy zfc but lost it when I moved - Argonet having got far
too expensive for my taste - and it would be great to pick up again.



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Post by Dr Peter Y » Wed, 07 Dec 2005 20:10:00

3 ways:

The original newsgroup (argonet.zfc) is now widely available.

Two offshoots which are mailing lists:

XXXX@XXXXX.COM (subscribe through the Smartgroups site);
this seems pretty dormant ATM.

zfc-chat; send a message with the subject "Subscribe" to
XXXX@XXXXX.COM (yes, that's correct, even though Argonet is
now only a ghost!). It's in the middle of the Christmas roundup, and
I'm sure people will be glad to see you back.


With best wishes,


Peter \ / zfc Dy \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52
Anne \/ __ __ \ England.
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family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ XXXX@XXXXX.COM .

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Post by New » Wed, 07 Dec 2005 20:11:33

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,

I get it via the Pipex news feed.

There hasn't been a post to it for several days. It's virtually moribund.

*Never miss a good chance to shut up.*

Dave Plowman XXXX@XXXXX.COM London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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Post by J C Conne » Wed, 07 Dec 2005 20:51:31

In message < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >

O.K. - but not via PlusNet :-(
I'll give the last one a whirl then.



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"The knuckles! The horrible knuckles!"
-- (Terry Pratchett, The Light Fantastic)

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Post by News » Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:04:06

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,

Please explain the difference between downloading a lot of threads you
have no interest in from a newsgroup and receiving the same from a
maillist. The download time is the same and they still have to be dealt
with in the same way. Once you have decided a thread is of no interest you
can direct all further posts/emails to the bin in just the same way.

As maillists are "private" and not archived anywhere they can be got at,
the spammers can't use them as a source for email addresses nor can they
post to them so easily. Trolls are absent and whilst I agree "Smartgroups"
is a pain in the arse "zfc-chat" is hosted by PV.

Danny's just done his annual "Christmas roundup" over on "zfc-chat" and so
far there are 59 posts, thoug I admit some have posted more than once

For the benefit of anyone else out there, I think you send a blank email
to XXXX@XXXXX.COM with the subject subscribe

Stuart Winsor

From is valid but subject to change without notice if it gets spammed.

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Post by Theo Marke » Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:32:21

Depending on how competent their newsadmins are, you could always ask for
them to add it. I don't know if they already peer (exchange articles) with
Pipex, but you could mention that Pipex carries it which might help them.
Since there are no rules for creating newsgroups outside a few hierarchies
(like alt.* or comp/misc/rec/sci/news/humanities/talk/soc.*) generally
servers don't carry new groups unless a human adds them expressly.


zfc and Orpheus

Post by Evan Clar » Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:37:45

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,


Raise a ticket and request it. I'd be surprised if they wouldn't add


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Post by John Nola » Thu, 08 Dec 2005 00:22:49

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, "Dave Plowman (News)"

Well, umm, isn't this a bit of a vicious circle ? If we don't start threads,
why should anyone know that it is still alive ?

I am glad that my art. alerted at least one old Argonutter. Maybe there are

Re. what I said about critical mass. Basically, if something is below a
critical mass it will slowly die away, if above, it will grow. This is
relevant here. The people tell others that "good 'ole' zfc" is still alive,
the more likely it is that we can all resuscitate it.

Re. Ray Dawson's short comment. I seem to remember that I set Follow Up to
comp.sys.acorn.misc and not argonet.acorn.misc, because I thought that there
would be a wider potentially interested readership.

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Post by Rosemary M » Thu, 08 Dec 2005 03:43:41

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, John Nolan

But it doesn't need resuscitating - it is flourishing!


Rosemary Miskin ZFC Pr XXXX@XXXXX.COM
Loughborough, UK http://www.yqcomputer.com/

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Post by Vince » Thu, 08 Dec 2005 08:27:30

Until recently, I couldn't - but thanks to the fact that I no
longer have 'net access at home, I've had to change the way I
access news and mail.

One of those changes was to start using news.teranews.com - and
reminded by this thread I looked, and found they carry argonet.zfc
(and .acorn.assist, misc and voyager), so I've added that to my
subscribed groups.

So, when I next connect (Thursday, probably) I'll be back...


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Post by Adop » Thu, 08 Dec 2005 12:25:58

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,

Oh poo and botheration...!!

I wuz replying in a.a.misc and didn't check where John
had set any followups.. Come to think of it, I don't
remember any showing - and this with !Pluto


Bill ZFC

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Post by Adop » Thu, 08 Dec 2005 13:10:57

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,


I gather both Giganews, (whom I guess feed PIPEX, as well as
Orpheus?) and the free "news.aioe.org" are yet more backbone
feeds that have joined a cohort of argonet.acorn.* and
argonet.*.* pushers..

An aside for any who might be interested; there are Charters
for each of the argonet.*.* ngs, with a set of 'Newsgroup FAQs'
published in each group on a regular three-weekly cycle, as
they have been since January 1996. This publication has
continued even if a group has appeared somewhat dormant in
recent months. The 'Newsgroup FAQs' may need slight detail
updates now that the withdrawal of ArgoNet is complete.

The groups have always complemented, uniquely, the
excellence of the comp.sys.acorn.* heirarchy...

..and here's me thinking you were just hiding... ;))

Bill ZFC

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