RFD for RISC OS community newsgroup (was: RISC OS Community Ng name?)

RFD for RISC OS community newsgroup (was: RISC OS Community Ng name?)

Post by Theo Marke » Thu, 11 Aug 2005 04:04:11



Fair point. Though I feel the hierarchy rules are less strict in alt.* -
you don't have to convince the news.groups regulars that your group sits
correctly in the big-8.

I don't follow Chris' point about not creating extra hierarchies: I think
that's more to prevent levels being set up which are unlikely to have other
members - ie alt.sport.bunny-hopping rather than alt.sport.bunny.hopping
(because short of alt.sport.bunny.eating, there aren't going to be any
other likely alt.sport.bunny.* groups). So creating an alt.*.riscos.*
hierarchy is OK, as other groups might follow.

Silly suggestion... how about alt.comp.os.riscos.neighbourhood, or
a.c.o.r.n...? :) <ducks>

Anyway, here's a first stab at a charter, with footnotes where work is
required. Insert your favoured newsgroup name as you wish...


REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION

For your newsgroups file:
alt.comp.os.riscos.community Misc chat between users of RISC OS[0]


Rationale
---------

Discussion about the RISC OS operating system forms the vast majority of
traffic in the comp.sys.acorn.* hierarchy. This operating system has a
loyal, close-knit community of users who often know each other socially
and would like a newsgroup to discuss matters not directly relating to
RISC OS systems, which are off-topic in comp.sys.acorn.*

Currently such traffic is carried in the argonet.zfc newsgroup, limited to
one ISP (average XX posts per week), the archive-42@somewhere mailing list
(XX posts/week), and off-topic posts in comp.sys.acorn.* (XX posts/week) [1]


Charter
-------

alt.comp.os.riscos.community is for discussion of matters of interest to
users of the RISC OS operating system that are not strictly involve RISC
OS. Nothing is specifically off-topic but posters are required to have a
current or former connection with RISC OS, either as a user, developer
or dealer.[2]

The group is unmoderated. Posting binary attachments (with the exception
of cryptographic signatures) or messages in HTML is forbidden, whilst
top-posting is strongly discouraged. Commercial adverti *** ts are not
permitted[3].

[4]


Places where some help would be useful:

[0] This needs to be short and snappy (my 'tin' shows the first 29 chars).
Can anyone do better?

[1] I don't have access to these: can someone provide some statistics?

[2] I was getting into difficulty here: how do we define the charter to
cover things that are essentially undefined? Do we want to exclude
discussion of RISC OS? (I suggest not, as that might make the group name
harder to justify)

[3] It's usual to say 'posting of on-topic commercial adverti *** ts is
allowed once per 30 days'. But here we don't have anything that's
off-topic, so such a clause would mean all infrequent spam was acceptable.

[4] Anything else I've forgotten?


Theo

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RFD for RISC OS community newsgroup (was: RISC OS Community Ng name?)

Post by Adam » Thu, 11 Aug 2005 04:49:35

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Personally, I'd be inclined to leave out the top-posting bit.[1] It sounds
quite negative. I suspect the group will be vastly "middle-posted" anyway and
isn't the whole point of it to be a more relaxed, informal forum with less
need for strict rules?

[1] Or at least re-word it to something like "Interleaved posting is
encouraged."

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Post by druc » Thu, 11 Aug 2005 05:18:51


Relaxed is one thing, chaos is another. Top posting should be explicitly
prohibuted - in every situation.

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RFD for RISC OS community newsgroup (was: RISC OS Community Ng name?)

Post by Alan Wrigl » Thu, 11 Aug 2005 05:27:00

In message <1123616955.f35f2e1055c68978ad90fe9e11436630@teranews>




Or:

Top-posting is at your own risk. Perpetrators will have their balls
fried and served to Mr Ruck on toast.

Alan

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Post by Liz » Thu, 11 Aug 2005 05:51:44

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So long as typoes are allowed ;-)

Slainte

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Post by Ray Dawso » Thu, 11 Aug 2005 06:26:30

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, druck




Why not go the other way and prohibit bottom posting? That wouldn't
produce chaos if everybody top posted :-)

Seriously though, if druck or anyone else starts policing it, then it
won't be any better than posting to the c.s.a.* groups and won't get used.

You can't tell people how they can or can't post - it's entirely down to
them. I can forsee a lot of ex-Risc Os users coming back into the fold
using Outlook Express to post and top posting WILL happen. If you try and
stop it, it's just the imposition of one individual's will upon another.
A bit like terrorism ;-)

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Post by dgs » Thu, 11 Aug 2005 06:58:24

In article <1123616955.f35f2e1055c68978ad90fe9e11436630@teranews>, Adam





Does it? Actually, "strongly discouraged" seems a lot less negative than
"forbidden".

Unless of course, some vast group of RISC OS users desperately want to
top-post anyway, which you suggest is not the case:



By "it", do you mean the proposed newsgroup, or the alt.* hierarchy
generally, or just your own viewpoint on the proposed newsgroup?


I suspect that most likely posters to the proposed newsgroup won't
actually have much idea what that means. Besides which, something being
"encouraged" in the charter of an unmoderated newsgroup is essentially a
request for the ill-mannered to ignore it entirely.

I think Theo's proposed charter is much better as he originally wrote it.

(I do have various concerns about the naming of the proposed group, but
that's perhaps for another time).

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Post by real addre » Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:07:09

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,






That's not a typo, it's a real word:

prohibut - to forbid, with head butting as a punishment
for transgressors.

VinceH

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Post by Liz » Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:21:39

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LOL!

Slainte

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Post by David Hold » Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:20:34


Ah. A Glaswegian word then. Presumably also covers pre-emptive
striking for potential transgressors :-)

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Post by real addre » Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:23:35

In article <1123660789.2f7ce1b18d480ca08dd28f5122ae752c@teranews>,


[...]


I think you've completely missed the point of why Chris
is suggesting a new group. It certainly isn't to create
a place where humans and top posters can work out their
differences peacefully.

VinceH

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Post by Alan Wrigl » Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:49:52

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There is one, and only one, good thing about top-posting, which is
that you can spot a cretin straight away and move on, instead of
having to scroll down two pages of quoted text to find out.

Alan

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Post by Bryn Evan » Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:50:56

In a mad moment - "VinceH (real address)" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >
mumbled :


But that WOULD be a GOOD IDEA wouldn't it ?

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Post by real addre » Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:24:05

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,




No.

They top posted without provocation! There was no
reason! Animals! They deserve no mercy! Strike them
down! Follow them to their newsgroups and kill them,
kill them all!

All of them!

No mercy!

But if you want a more serious answer:

No.

Maybe if this new group was created I would subscribe
- maybe not. But if I did, I would expect top posting
to be discouraged, just as it is here. I take the
view that top posters who persist after having their
error pointed out simply don't want their posts read.

VinceH

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Post by Ben Cric » Fri, 12 Aug 2005 01:18:40


What's Top-posting, anyway?

Ben

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