Mail sending problem

Mail sending problem

Post by Alan Adam » Sat, 26 Jan 2008 04:25:09


I'm having trouble sending mail.

Last night I tried to send a 29MByte message, and sending froze the
computer (continuous disc activity light, no keyboard of mouse
response. Alt-Break Stop Netfetch did nothing - didn't even close the
window.

Eventually I shut down, rebooted, ran Messenger and deleted the queued
large message. Hermes then, and continues to, report "Failed to
connect to smtp.freeserve.net".

Assuming this isn't coincidence, any thoughts?

I an using Messenger Pro 5.04, NetFetch 3.10. The connection is via a
router, and mail fetching and news sending work.

--
Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire
XXXX@XXXXX.COM
http://www.yqcomputer.com/
 
 
 

Mail sending problem

Post by Alan Adam » Sat, 26 Jan 2008 04:34:29

In message < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >







Just tried with Outlook Express, same server, connects OK.
So the connection via the router is OK, and the smtp server responde.
The problem would seem to be with Hermes.


--
Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire
XXXX@XXXXX.COM
http://www.yqcomputer.com/

 
 
 

Mail sending problem

Post by Alan Wrigl » Sat, 26 Jan 2008 05:15:00

In message < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >




Stopping NetFetch wouldn't affect Hermes anyway - they're separate
applications.


I can't explain this from the evidence given, but you could try
checking that all the files were actually deleted from Hermes'
outgoing mail directory. Look in !Hermes.MailDir.mailout.text and
!Hermes.MailDir.mailout.work.

The only other thing I can think of is that you have the option to use
cached IP addresses turned on and somehow the IP address stored in
Hermes' Accounts file has got corrupted. Other than that I can't think
of any logical reason why Hermes should not connect to the server.

Alan

--
RISC OS - you know it makes cents
 
 
 

Mail sending problem

Post by druc » Sat, 26 Jan 2008 07:29:51

On 24 Jan 2008 Alan Adams < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >




You aren't having a problem sending email, you are having a problem
abusing email. You should never attempt to send such a large file,
email isn't designed for such sizes, and you are likely to completely
block the receipents mail box, which they will not thank you for.

Don't send anything larger than a couple of megabytes. If you need to
transfer more, upload the file to your ISP's provided webspace and put
a link to it in your email. The recepient can then choose to download
the large file at a time of their choosing, at it will come down a lot
quicker via a browser than an email program.

---druck

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Mail sending problem

Post by Paul Stewa » Sat, 26 Jan 2008 07:33:53

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Druck maybe onto something here. I tried sending a large email a few
weeks ago. This also would not send via Hermes. Upon further
investigation, the problem was a maximum size of email cap that my ISP
has placed on my account. I put the file on my webspace and emailed a
link to it.


Regards
--
Paul Stewart - Far Bletchley, Milton Keynes, England.
(msn: XXXX@XXXXX.COM )

Be Bold. Dare To Be Different. Use RISC OS ( http://www.yqcomputer.com/ ).
It's blue and from outta town - The A9home
( http://www.yqcomputer.com/ ).
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Mail sending problem

Post by Alan Adam » Sat, 26 Jan 2008 07:39:54

In message < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >
Alan Wrigley < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >









I seleted the test message from the outgoing queue, and all the files
here were deleted (one from each).


The Choices file says caching off.

RunAfter:
RSSRunAfter:
SMTPRunAfter:
OpenStatus:on
CloseStatus:off
Parallel:off
SizeOrder:on
AutoSend:off
EncryptPwd:on
FetchOnLoad:off
UITimeout:on
AdjDelete:on
Override:off
CacheIP:off
RSSHTML:on
Log:3
Ibar:2
Quit:2
Left:5
Right:3
Version:5
RSSDelay:0
LastPurge:1200868096
SpamAction:1
Timeout:60
WindowPos:1046,1108

The accounts file is as follows (with the pwd lnes removed)

AcctID:0001
Name:alan/adams 1
Server:pop.freeserve.net
Port:110
Log:1
RunAfter:off
SSL:off
Action:5
User:orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk
Type:POP
Local:alan/adams
MaxSize:0
SizeTime:0
OverSize:0
Delete:on
Fetch:on
Skip:off
Apop:off
Auto:off
OnSysVar:off
FastDelete:on
Filters:7

AcctID:0002
Name:Freeserve SMTP
Server:smtp.freeserve.net
Port:25
Log:3
RunAfter:off
SSL:off
Action:5
Type:SMTP
Login:off
Default:on

AcctID:0003
Name:slalom
Server:mail.nckc.org.uk
Port:110
Log:1
RunAfter:off
SSL:off
Action:0
User: XXXX@XXXXX.COM
Type:POP
Local:_slalom
MaxSize:0
SizeTime:0
OverSize:0
Delete:on
Fetch:on
Skip:off
Apop:off
Auto:off
OnSysVar:off
FastDelete:off
Filters:9



--
Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire
XXXX@XXXXX.COM
http://www.yqcomputer.com/
 
 
 

Mail sending problem

Post by Alan Wrigl » Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:30:54

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Well I can't see anything wrong there, but interestingly I just tried
to ping smtp.freeserve.net and there was no response.

Alan

--
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Mail sending problem

Post by Paul Stewa » Sun, 27 Jan 2008 03:12:12

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Have you looked at the Queue from within MPro(Menu over iconbar icon,
Utilities, Show queues. Is the item stil in the queue. If it is
delete it

Regards
--
Paul Stewart - Far Bletchley, Milton Keynes, England.
(msn: XXXX@XXXXX.COM )

Be Bold. Dare To Be Different. Use RISC OS ( http://www.yqcomputer.com/ ).
It's blue and from outta town - The A9home
( http://www.yqcomputer.com/ ).
A9home Compatibility page -
( http://www.yqcomputer.com/ ).
 
 
 

Mail sending problem

Post by Alan Adam » Sun, 27 Jan 2008 03:14:42

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In this case the recipient had specifically requested the photos, and
I didn't really want to put them on a web server. As they showed
building details inside a school, web space is too public.

Freeserve used to have a 2MB cap, but I have discovered I can send
larger emails than that. This one was just too big - I don't know
whether freeserve put the limit on this time, or whether there was an
issue with RISC OS's 28MB memory limit somewhere.

It doesn't solve the problem that since this failure to send, I cannot
send anything. I can send to the same SMTP server from a PC, using the
same router connection, so it doesn't seem to be a problem at the
Freeserve end, or with the ADSL connection.

News still gets sent from the RPC - it's just email.

I think I have to try installing NetFetch from scratch again...


--
Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire
XXXX@XXXXX.COM
http://www.yqcomputer.com/
 
 
 

Mail sending problem

Post by Alan Adam » Sun, 27 Jan 2008 03:49:31

In message < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >
Alan Wrigley < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >








I've just renamed !Netfetch to netfetch310, copied !netfetch 3.0 from
the floppy, and copied the 310 upgrade over it. I then configured the
email and news accounts using the control panel - i.e. I didn't use
the old choices or accounts files.

I still have the problem.

Could there be something lingering in MPro which is causing this? I
have no idea where to look.

--
Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire
XXXX@XXXXX.COM
http://www.yqcomputer.com/
 
 
 

Mail sending problem

Post by Alan Adam » Sun, 27 Jan 2008 05:08:21

In message < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >
















Done that, no change.



--
Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire
XXXX@XXXXX.COM
http://www.yqcomputer.com/
 
 
 

Mail sending problem

Post by Richard Po » Sun, 27 Jan 2008 08:07:46

The date being 25 Jan 2008, Alan Adams
< XXXX@XXXXX.COM > decided to write:


They don't have to be linked in to anything. They could be in a
password protected directory or in a directory with a dummy index
page. Alternatively your ISP or hosting company may provide FTP space.

Don't forget that the payload size is increased by 33% when you send a
binary file by email, due to base 64 encoding. If necessary send one
image at a time.

--
Richard Porter
ricp@ / www. minijem.plus.com
"You can't have Windows without pains."
 
 
 

Mail sending problem

Post by druc » Sun, 27 Jan 2008 08:41:51

On 25 Jan 2008 Alan Adams < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >


It doesn't make any difference if they requested it, do they know the
limit the ISP puts on their mail box? So they know the limit your ISP
puts on outgoing mail? Do they know limits of every mail gateway in
between?

People assuming they can email any massive file on their hard disc,
causes a huge waste of time to both users and admins everywhere.

!!!! DO NOT DO IT !!!!


It can easily be hidden. Create a new directory on the webserver, put
in in it an empty file called index.html and then the contents can't
be browsed, the file can only be accessed by following the link you've
given. Protect the contents further by putting it in a password
protected zip file.

---druck

--
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Mail sending problem

Post by Ray Dawso » Sun, 27 Jan 2008 18:42:30


Have you got the offending mail stuck in the outgoing queue on your
computer? If so, the size may prevent anything else from being sent.

Cheers,

Ray D
 
 
 

Mail sending problem

Post by Alan Wrigl » Sun, 27 Jan 2008 18:51:50

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I can't see how MPro could have anything to do with it.

The process is quite straightforward: you click on the option to send
mail (or you have it set to auto and Hermes detects a message in the
outgoing queue), and Hermes attempts to connect to the configured
server and port. If it fails to do so it's nothing to do with any
messages in the queue or any other application. In fact I can't see
how it can be a fault with Hermes. The fact that you have an error
message saying it can't connect indicates that it has tried. Beyond
that point it's in the hands of the server.

I did wonder at first if your ISP has blocked access from your address
because of the attempt to send such an enormous email, but since you
can connect from your PC and you are presumably using NAT on the
router then that can't be the answer.

Alan

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RISC OS - you know it makes cents