Network drive backup apps?

Network drive backup apps?

Post by Barrie McE » Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:24:33


I have a network backup problem with my newly installed Maxtor Shared
Storage II network drive (500GB). This is connected to a small SOHO
network (1 Gig cable + wireless). The network serves a PC (Windows &
Linux), Laptop (Windows & VRPC), Iyonix, RiscPC and two printers. The
Maxtor, Iyonix, PC & Laptop are connected via 1G cable. I use LanMan98
to connect the RISC OS machines.

My problem arises when trying to use backup programs on the Iyonix.
While I can backup the Iyonix by drag & drop I would like to be able to
use a program to do this automatically. On the Windows machines I can do
this easily with the Maxtor software or Acronis or Norton's Ghost.

I have found and tried SyncDiscs (Pilling), Syncopath (Lenny? Which uses
SyncDiscs) and DirSynch (van der Geer). They all work partially for me.
That is they begin to transfer data and then stop with error messages.
The error for the SyncDiscs pair is:
'Connection reset by peer.'

Having removed 'smbserver' a backup using SynDirs seemd to work well,
but finally hung with:
'Oversized packet received 15915690, 16648'
after transferring 666 files from 812
The remainder dragged across without whimper.

The error from DirSynch simply tells me there appears to be an error.

The RiscPC throws up similar errors.

I assume something is interrupting the flow. I am a user, not a network
administrator or programmer and may well be doing something silly. I may
be ancient, but I do hate to have the 'tin boxes' beat me.

Any suggestions please?

Regards
Barrie
 
 
 

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Post by contact.ne » Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:10:48

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Post by Tim Powys- » Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:42:11


I have experienced the same sorts of problems as the OP. So I went and
bought HDC; unfortunately it too gave me some problems, though this was
at least a couple of years back and I cannot now remember the details.
It is enough to say that the backups never completed and bombed out at
some stage. The same happens with _all_ such backup programs. I have
in the past thought it might be some curious problem with the Iyonix'
file system.

I have found the only way to back up with no trouble is to back-up to a
totally fresh location using the file-system Copy command. With the
relatively small discs that I have (80 and 125G) in the backup drives,
it is normally quicker to reformat them each time to clear the space.

And by contrast a program runs every night on my Mac doing incremental
backup to an external Lacie drive and never has any problems completing.

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Network drive backup apps?

Post by Paul Stewa » Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:04:40

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Have you tried BackIt ( http://www.yqcomputer.com/ )

With this you can backup to your local or remote machine. If you are
having problem with data timeouts, you can back up to you local
machine then copy the zip files to the remote one.

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Post by Dr Peter Y » Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:13:20


Not so, but far otherwise! I have an Iyo (5.13) and regularly use both
HDC and DirSync (just done the weekly backup by two methods to two
places, in fact!) and don't have problems. Neither of them likes it if
you try to back up open files, though, which seems reasonable to me.

With best wishes,

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Post by contact.ne » Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:15:01

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Barrie not me


This is what I did with HDC (no zips needed) and have started to do
incremental straight to network drive.
HDC v2.63
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Post by Mark » Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:09:51

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I use !DirSync, but what worries me is that all backup apps would
(afaik) seem to rely upon the datestamp, and the nas does its own
stamping, so if its date is not in sync an oopsie is just round the
corner...

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Post by druc » Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:19:04


You can turn off reliance on datastamps, but it will be vastly slower
then having to compare every file.

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Post by Barrie McE » Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:41:31


Many thanks to all who have made suggestions. It seems to confirm that I
am not alone.

I shall try to to Apps mentioned above.

Barrie
 
 
 

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Post by new » Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:53:37

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I wrote a command line backup program called 7backup which suits my needs -
it's quite flexible about things like datestamps and stuff that I found to
be a problem with the various filesystems that you come across (NFS, LAN
Manager, ShareFS).

Give it a try:

http://www.yqcomputer.com/

You'll need the !Routines library installed (also on my site) - in
!Boot.Resources or somewhere - and I might even do a GUI for the tool if
people think it's useful.

Once you have downloaded it (put the BASIC program into !Boot.Library), type:

7backup -help

for more information.

Ta,

Steve

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Post by Tim Powys- » Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:39:07


An initial trial done and it did not baulk at any file. I like the
facility to not enter image files.

I'll give it a full test in a day or so.

Thanks.

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Post by new » Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:50:53

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Make sure you download version 1.01 if you got 1.00 - I sneaked out an
update after my posting which makes it a tiny bit more resilient to errors.

I can now back up specific folders from my Windows laptop over LAN Manager
to my Iyonix hard drive in the background (run the command in a task obey
file from a scheduled task in Organizer) - even when I have files open on
the Windows side; 7backup just tells you it failed to access the given
file(s) so you know to deal with them later.

There's nothing quite as annoying as a big action like backing up 100s of MB
of files over a network falling over half way through because of one silly
error!

Mind you, 7backup was written by and for me and I wasn't really planning on
releasing it so I can't guarantee that it does exactly what it should.

Steve

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Post by Tim Powys- » Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:18:07


Then it is no different to the more user-friendly, and some commercial,
programs all of which, so far, have had failures on my Iyonix when
backing up whole discs. And it is far easier and quicker than my
practice of reformatting the destination disc and doing a Copy from my
'HardDisc4'.

Though FTP worked reliably across a network; but was mightily slow.

But I have yet to do a full backup of H-D4 using 7backup. Is tonight
the night?

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Post by Chris Evan » Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:51:47

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I've heard before that slight variations in date stamps can cause problems
and wonder why rather than compare individual original and previously
backedup file date/times sync programs don't compare the new time/date with
time/date that the last backup finished?

or am I missing somerhing?

Chris Evans

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Post by new » Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:00:05

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It's worth noting that if it spots an entire directory is only present in
the source, it effectively does a *copy to move it over to the destination
(OS_FSControl 26). So if you run into problems when you *copy the stuff
across, you may hit the same problems with 7backup - at least, the first
time you backup. From then on, the process should be incremental, which will
mean far fewer files being copied across.

Ta,

Steve

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