Sunfish/FTPc RISC OS filetypes

Sunfish/FTPc RISC OS filetypes

Post by Ron » Thu, 04 Feb 2010 11:26:05


I have my Archive DVD in an Ubuntu machine.
In the root directory the application !Archive actually
shows as an application under RISC OS filer info, but the
!Boot !Run etc inside doesn't seem to get the same magic,
and are only shown as text files.
Does this show a partial implementing of file typing in
!Sunfish, or is it a directory tree issue?

!FTPc is more basic, It treats the !Archive app as a
directory, and the !Boot inside as just 'file'

I guess another approach would be a filetype guesser
app to straighten out the mess after copying across.

TIA Ron M
 
 
 

Sunfish/FTPc RISC OS filetypes

Post by Peter Naul » Thu, 04 Feb 2010 11:46:19


I don't know the setup of the DVD, but the specification
for ISO image does allow for RISC OS filetypes, which
CDFS on RISC OS understands. I suspect Linux CD handling
doesn't, (although probably easily fixed) and this is where it
needs to be presented. If the files appear with ,xxx extensions,
then SunFish would present the right filetype.

Some more info here:

http://www.yqcomputer.com/

> I guess another approach would be a filetype guesser
> app to straighten out the mess after copying across.

It would be a guess, and still not be able to tell
lots of things. It's really not worth it. Alternatively,
if things are in a zip archive, copy that over, then uncompress
in RISC OS.

 
 
 

Sunfish/FTPc RISC OS filetypes

Post by druc » Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:48:42


No, it's because it's a RISC OS format CD which has additional file type
information other systems don't understand. As Linux doesn't know the
filetypes, Sunfish doesn't either.

---druck
 
 
 

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Post by Ron » Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:24:55

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<snip>
Yes, OK, it is puzzling how it new !Archive was an application.

And yes, Peter, files with extensions are translating OK.
Funnily enough, I wish to Zip it for use on the Iyonix so it will
backup as a single file.
But zipping it on Linux would still lose filetypes also of course.
The DVD copied across is actually usable as is, I'm just trying to
tidy up a bit.

Ron M.
 
 
 

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Post by Ron » Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:09:07

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I see why now, if it is a directory, and has a ! it is an
application in RISC OS. FTPc does't use a Filer window so
it doesn't get translated.(I think)

Nice page of information, Peter. The riscosinfo is worth looking
at before tackling a problem.
Cheers Ron M.
 
 
 

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Post by John Sandf » Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:18:04

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[snip]


!FTPc has an option to "add remove file types" which will translate
correctly if the RISC OS type is present and will add when up loading
to retain the information.


John
--
John Sandford West Herts UK

Hemel Hempstead RISC OS User Group email info @ hhrug.org
 
 
 

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Post by Ron » Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:04:01

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<snip>

Yes, OK if the file is originating from RISCOS.
I could copy the ISO of the DVD, but would need an ISO editor to
open it on RISC OS.

Ron M
 
 
 

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Post by David Hold » Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:33:22


For the !Archive application you don't need to do anything. All it does is
check that there's a filer_run alias for HTML and if not run the local file
only copy of !Fresco which is on the CD/DVD and then display the intro file
in the application directory which is an exact copy of intro.htm in the root
directory of the CD/DVD.

ie. if you're not running the CD/DVD on RISC OS ignore the !Archive app and
click on intro.htm for *exactly* the same effect. That's why it's there.

--
David Holden - APDL - < http://www.yqcomputer.com/ >
 
 
 

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Post by Ron » Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:28:57

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Thanks David,
I have just deleted the !Archive app and the utilities
directory. I noticed there is still some impression files and probably
a few others to set types on. I might just ignore them until they
become an issue.
I want to zip it up when I'm finished, so when backing up my
machine it is just one file.
Yes, in the case of this DVD, lucky it uses file extensions mostly.

Ron M
 
 
 

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Post by David Hold » Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:41:12


There aren't any Impression files in the main 'Magazine' directory. They're
all compressed in ArcFS archives. Having a quick look at the master there
are a few in the Compilations and Glossary directories but this is pretty
obvious since they're in an 'Impression' sub-directory and these are
duplicated in PDF or text anyway.

All files which can be used on other OS's have appropriate file extensions.

--
David Holden - APDL - < http://www.yqcomputer.com/ >
 
 
 

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Post by druc » Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:00:42


It's because it's a directory starting with a '!' (as it looks to RISC
OS), file types aren't involved in that.

---druck
 
 
 

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Post by Ron » Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:07:59

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Yes this Magazine directory, after converting the files with "Archive"
in the first bytes, I find the Impression Icon applications, which
have inside more !DOCDATA &D87 !RUNIMAGE &000 TEXT &D88 typed files.
Is this quite normal for Impression application/directories?
There is a directory of PDF's for Vol21,
Vol20 has something different again
I'll have to look it into it more, it is getting long winded.

I see the RISCOS emulator for Linux has an ISO reader, could be easier.

Ron M.
 
 
 

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Post by Ron » Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:25:42

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Yes, that dawned on me eventually,(a few posts back)
A Filer option or a utility, that lets the Filer see the !Run and !Boot
as Obey files, maybe more, would be good. I think it would need to be
switchable. It is not normally needed and probably not wanted in
places like Develop directories.
I'm sure there has been a filetype guesser app in the distant past.

Ron M.
 
 
 

Sunfish/FTPc RISC OS filetypes

Post by Chris John » Fri, 05 Feb 2010 08:05:10

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Yes. These are the file types used by the multifile Impression docs.

--
Chris Johnson
 
 
 

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Post by Ron » Fri, 05 Feb 2010 09:16:04

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They were in an archive, so they should be correct, It all looked
a bit odd, being in uppercase as well.
In CDBurnlite you can get uppercase from not having 'backup' selected.
(In the filename translation standard field)

Ron M.