Sound Studio vs Sound Soap

Sound Studio vs Sound Soap

Post by Michael Bu » Sat, 11 Jun 2005 22:29:21


I am gonig to purchase software to help move recordings from vinyl to CDs. I
have read reviews on these two software programs. Does sound studio have the
" cleaning " abilities of sound soap. Can you edit a rercording with sound
studio then clean it up with sound soap?
Do you need both?
 
 
 

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Post by gtr » Tue, 14 Jun 2005 11:02:09

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, Michael



No input on this? I have a stack of LP's that I simply have to convert
sooner or later and am unsure how best to go about doing it. I used
Coaster under OS 9.2. I'm unsure if it works within OSX, though assume
it does. I converted one LP repeatedly but it still seemed to have a
thin sound and too much surface noise.

I'm monitoring your request. Sure wish someone would chime in.
Perhaps with a location we can go to find out more details. (url or
other newsgroups.

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Post by matt » Tue, 14 Jun 2005 12:05:55


No.


Yes.


You don't "need" either. You can certainly use both if that's what you
want to do. However, these might not be the best programs for what you
want to do. You didn't ask about that, though. m.


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Post by lampmu » Tue, 14 Jun 2005 12:39:11

In article <120620051902092735% XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,




My very large vinyl LP and 45 collection has been largely sold and
converted to MP3 using DC Millenium on the PC and Sound Studio on the
Mac. Sound Studio is easy and has lots of features for conversions but
DC Millenium has more "cleanup" features. There are several Mac
programs that will do the job. If the noise level is minimal, I don't
filter the MP3. Trying to maintain an MP3 near the original RIAA curve
and sound quality of the LP is important to me and cleanup filtering
alters the sound so much that it becomes a sanitized digital sound
rather than a digital capture of the original analog sound of the vinyl
LP.
 
 
 

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Post by gtr » Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:32:52

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, lampmuz



Can you name the good ones?


So you played the LP, for instance. Recorded the output directly into
Sound Studio, trimmed the front and back end, and converted it to mp3.
That was the whole job?

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Post by lampmu » Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:51:28

In article <130620052032526345% XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,




How about a visit to Version Tracker?

Title / Version / Description
Size
License
Release Date
Rating
Downloads

Amadeus II 3.8.3
3.3M
Shareware
04/19/2005
5,495
sound editor & analyzer with MP3 support

BIAS Peak 4.14
form
Update
05/31/2005
1,215
digital audio editing software

The Analogue Ripper 2.0.3
2.8M
Shareware
05/25/2005
853
record LPs & tapes, edit & export tracks to MP3

BIAS Peak LE 4.1.4
form
Update
05/31/2005
591
MP3 encoding, recording, looping, editing, DSP

SoundSoap 2.0.1
form
Update
06/06/2005
549
audio noise reduction removes hiss, clicks, hums

BIAS SoundSoap Pro 1.1
form
Update
06/06/2005
452
audio restoration & noise reduction plugin

Audio Companion 1.0.9
168k
Shareware
05/03/2005
366
sound recorder w/auto split & sound encoding

BIAS Peak DV 4.1.4
form
Update
05/31/2005
290
audio editing, processing & mastering for video clips

Plus t *** the gap between the two sides if necessary. Works for me
- I don't need to chop up every song - just leave the whole LP as one
MP3, scan the LP cover for the song list or for the liner notes. Plenty
of room in iTunes for comments and other info on the recording.

When the vinyl is good enough quality, why digitally filter it and lose
all the analog quality? With older vinyl, the electro-mechanical
process of cutting a vinyl disc records the analog warmth recorded on
tape by the dynamic mikes in the groove along with the sonic anomalies
that make the sound full. If you filter it all out digitally, you'll
get a clear, crisp, clean sound but it will be thinner and less vibrant
than what you started with. When you start hacking off every pop you're
also cutting off some of the rest of the sound at that level. With
volume leveling you lose the natural variations in sound level. By the
time you're done, you've lost the original - but this only makes sense
to those who can hear the difference.
 
 
 

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Post by Walter Bus » Sat, 18 Jun 2005 12:44:11

In article <120620051902092735% XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,




Are you using the proper RIAA EQ?


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Post by lampmu » Sun, 19 Jun 2005 11:54:15

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,



That a good question and the reason I mentioned DC Millenium on the PC.
It has among the best RIAA curve simulation, cassette tape de-hissing,
the usual and unusual pop and scratch filters and many others that rival
or surpass any audio software I've seen. I'd like to find a Mac SW
product that can equal it and anyone familiar with software on "both
sides of the fence" that can offer a Mac alternative, please make your
case.
 
 
 

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Post by gtr » Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:30:00

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, lampmuz



Does it indicate which are good and which suck? You know there really
is a practical use for anecdotal information, though there's nothing
inherently wrong about alphabetic lists of products, if you can guess
the kinds of names they might have.

[list snipped]

Thanks for the list. So do you like any of those programs, relative to
their price and utility. I know some are many hundreds of dollar. I
have a number of programs for recording audio, I'm curious about the
"cleaning" programs.


A highly personal approach. Any program I'd use would have to put the
music into the traditional organziation by song. Do you know if any of
these programs are well disposed to such a task as bursting out the
songs. That's what made toaster good and what I'd like to avoid
spending an hour doing once it's in one vast audio glot.


Because the vinyl isn't good enough.


As I mentioned I attempted this a few times and some were okay, others
sounded quite thin and the surface noise seemed more pronounced than
they did when I simply listened to the lp.

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Post by gtr » Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:32:12

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, lampmuz




I'm not modifying the EQ, so I have no idea. What is the "proper RIAA
EQ"?


I have a Mac, and would rather by a program than another computer.


That sould be swell.

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Post by Jeff Wisem » Mon, 20 Jun 2005 01:23:18


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Just a thought or two on the "thin" sound.

In order to get longer cuts on some LPs, the cuts were not as
deep. This allows grooves to be placed closer together. With less
lateral movement on the stylus, low frequencies can be limited a
bit giving a "thinner" sound (remember the old "Ktel" records?).
Another item is an old or worn stylus. It will ride higher in the
groove producing a similar effect. One last item is using an old
cartridge. The *** components in the cartridge that give it
its compliance will get hard over time which changes the
compliance significantly, usually screwing up bass
response--again causing the sound to be "thin".

In all cases, the sound can be improved significantly by using a
better (usually smaller elliptical type), or newer stylus.
Unfortunately, it is rarely justified for someone to purchase a
new $150 cartridge just so they can transfer a few of their LPs
to digital format regardless of out much better it sounds :-) so
if you have any audiophile type friends that use LPs, they might
be willing to let you use their turntable for a while. That and a
properly cleaned LP will help to get down to the *** vinyl on
your records and will produce much better results. This will also
reduce or even eliminate much of the clicks and pops on some worn
records. If you have a portable Mac (like an iMac), it might be
easier to take it over to their system and just plug it into
their turntable preamp outputs.



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Post by Jeff Wisem » Mon, 20 Jun 2005 01:38:11


The sound taken off of an LP when measured at the output of the
pickup is not flat. In fact it is a significantly sloped output
and the slope is based on an RIAA standard and must be equalized
so that it is a flat response. This would need to be done PRIOR
to the stages that typically are used for tone control.

However...

The output of the pickup is not high enough to be used as it is.
To be useful at all, it MUST be amplified up to standard
line-level via a special low-noise preamp suitable for the
cartridge type (e.g., ceramic, magnetic, moving-coil, etc.). That
preamp will ALWAYS have some form of RIAA equalization in it
already, so I have no idea why the question of RIAA equalization
was even asked in the first place! If you have a setup where you
are getting a line level output from the LP source suitable for
recording from, in general the RIAA equalization has already been
done (unless you are using a non-cartridge type preamp in which
case the sound would be so bad it would be obvious that something
is screwed up).


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Post by gtr » Mon, 20 Jun 2005 03:13:08

In article <WTXse.6277$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, Jeff




Thanks for the useful info. My turntable was recently purchased
(2003), has the "better" stylus" that the guy at the audio shop sold me
for additional monies.

Before attempting my conversions, I use my cleaning materials on the
LP, spray and electro-static brush (30 years and still going!). And I
mentioned, some have been good, some have been bad. Perhaps I can
write it off to a curiousity. I assume if I sit down with a stack of
30 LP's and devote 3 weekends in a raw to the process I should get the
drill down one way or the other.

I still know of no program on the Mac that "bursts" by individual song.
So I assume after conversion I'll have to haul it all into an digital
audio editor and save each individual block as a song. Which is a big
fat pain in the ass.

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Post by gtr » Mon, 20 Jun 2005 03:15:44

In article <T5Yse.6281$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, Jeff




No such obnoxious output, no. I'm taking the line out of the turntable,
running it through a Behrenger mixer, leaving it's EQ flat, and goosing
volume up to appropriate for whatever program it's being funneled into.
No more.

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Post by Jeff Wisem » Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:11:06


If the cartridge sold for under, say, $75, the tip could still be
audibly improved upon--even on moderately good systems. If you
are using a cartridge that typically sold for only $40-$70 new,
you would be surprised at how much better some of the $100-$150
cartridges can sound. However, the fact that it is relatively new
will likely buy you a lot for your application. Make sure that
you get your tracking force set right.




Ok, so you've gotten the process down well. That's great. As I
stated earlier though, there can be quite a bit of difference
between different LPs due to how they were cut originally. Wear
on both the LP itself as well as stylus wear, age, and cartridge
quality can exacerbate those differences. I've had LPs that
sounded VERY "thin" originally. By going to a better stylus, it
became a bit less noticable but it was always a tad thinner
sounding than other LPs.

Note that a lot of the older records I had almost became silent
relative to clicks, pops, and hiss when I upgraded to a higher
quality stylus due to the needle running on *** vinyl that had
not been worn. The difference can be striking.




I know exactly what you mean. I've done this manually using Sound
Studio in Mac OS 8.6 but I didn't have that many LPs to copy. It
seems to me that there WAS an application (at least in pre OS X)
that would automatically break the play into separate sound files
a couple of years back. I forget the name but it was not a
freeware type application. You have to watch that during quiet
passages it doesn't break up tracks but I do know there was an
application that would do this (at least in Classic)

Try running your question on an appropriate forum over at
www.audioasylum.com or in the rec.audio.high-end newsgroup. Be
sure to mention that you are looking for an app for a Mac running
OS X.

Hope that this helps some.


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